Calculating Trebuchet Mechanics

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter andy343
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Mechanics Trebuchet
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the mechanics of a trebuchet, focusing on the interplay of lever mechanics, torque, angular velocity, potential energy, and kinetic energy in the context of projectile motion. Participants explore various aspects of the physics involved in trebuchet operation, including energy transformations and trajectory calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on how to integrate concepts of torque, angular velocity, and energy transformations in trebuchet mechanics.
  • Another participant explains that a trebuchet converts potential energy into kinetic energy, emphasizing the role of the counterweight and the height from which it is released.
  • There is a mention of the need for specific parameters such as lever length, lever mass, and the height at which the projectile is released to set up a basic model.
  • One participant suggests that the actual movement of the counterweight is less important than the height difference from maximum to minimum height for energy calculations.
  • Participants discuss the potential energy formula and the need to calculate work done and resulting kinetic energy to determine the initial velocity of the projectile.
  • There are considerations about additional factors like mechanism friction and air drag, which may affect accuracy but could be ignored for initial calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the basic principles of energy transformation in a trebuchet, but there are differing views on the importance of specific parameters and the role of lever mechanics in the calculations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to integrate these concepts into a cohesive calculation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that additional parameters and assumptions are needed for accurate calculations, and there is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in modeling the mechanics of a trebuchet.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in physics, engineering, or mechanics, particularly those looking to understand the dynamics of projectile motion and energy transformations in mechanical systems.

andy343
Messages
6
Reaction score
0
Can someone please explain to me how to calculate Trebuchet mechanics?
I know it involves lever mechanics with torque, angular velocity and projectile motion but I
just can't seem to put these things together.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Hi andy343! There's quite a lot of mechanics going on when dealing with trebuchets, so they are pretty good as physics examples.

A trebuchet uses potential energy which gets converted to kinetic energy. First you do do work on the system by pulling back the throwing arm (analogous with compressing a spring). When you release the arm, the potential energy will be transformed to kinetic energy (of both the projectile+throwing arm).

The potential energy can be calculated by W=mgh where m=mass of counterweight being lifted, g=standard gravitation≈9.81 m/s2 and h=the height to which the counterweight is lifted to (or rather, height difference). See gravitational potential energy.

Some of this energy (not all) will be transformed to kinetic energy of the projectile. See formula for kinetic energy.

For trajectories of the projectile, these formulas can be used (range of trajectory, height of trajectory, time of flight etc.) For trajectory calculations you need initial velocity, initial angle and standard gravitation g≈9.81 m/s2.
 
Umm, how bout lever mechanics and the angular velocity when the counterweight falls since it does not falls perfectly down and how would I convert the PE to KE, don't I have to use lever mechanics and torque since its a first class lever.
 
It depends on what you exactly are interested in calculating (you did not specify this); I described the basic energy mechanism for a trebuchet, some energy relations and projectile formulas.

To set up a basic model, we would need a couple of more parameters; lever length and at which height the lever releases the projectile. The lever mass would also be good to know. As I said, trebuchets are good examples with quite a lot of mechanics going on :smile:.

The initial velocity of the projectile (when it finally is released by the arm) is needed to calculate the trajectory.

You can make approximate calculations of this without using forces. The actual movement of the counterweight is not particularly important; the important thing is the height difference from max to min height of the counterweight.

You'll need these parameters:

  • mass of projectile
  • mass of counterweight
  • height difference of counterweight
  • lever length
  • lever mass
  • height at which the lever releases the projectile
Step suggestions:

  • calculate potential energy stored (Wp) (this is the energy that will be conserved during the operation)
  • calculate work done (Wd) by raising the lever+projectile to the release height (hint: this will involve two calculations)
  • calculate resulting kinetic energy of the projectile (Wk); Wk ≈ Wp-Wd (since energy is conserved)
  • use Wk to calculate initial velocity of projectile (when the projectile is released it will cease to be accelerated by the lever)
  • the initial velocity, release angle and g can be used to calculate the trajectory

(of course there are other factors involved like mechanism friction and air drag, but it all depends on how accurate you want to be, so it might be good to ignore this at this point)

So I suggest putting up some numbers for the parameters and do some calculations. This will involve mechanics and some trigonometry :smile:.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
5K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
6K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
3K
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
6K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
4K