Calculating Value of "a" for Independent X,Y Variables

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The discussion revolves around determining the value of "a" in the joint probability function of two independent random variables, X and Y. The function is given as f(m,n)=P(X=m,Y=n)=C*((1/(a*m*n+15*m+11*n+8))^2), and the goal is to find the conditions under which X and Y are independent.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the joint probability function and the independence condition, noting that f(m,n) should equal f(m)*f(n). There are discussions about how to manipulate the denominator to achieve independence, with suggestions to factor it into separate functions of m and n. Some participants question the use of the same symbol for different functions and propose using distinct names for clarity.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights and suggestions on how to approach the problem. There is an emphasis on finding a suitable value for "a" that allows for the necessary factorization, though no consensus or definitive method has been reached yet.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem due to the multiple meanings of the function symbol and the need for clarity in notation. There is also a hint about a specific form of the denominator that could facilitate the factorization process.

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we have X,Y variables and we have f(m,n)=P(X=m,Y=n)=C*((1/(a*m*n+15*m+11*n+8))^2)
for what value of a X,Y are indepedent? ( its not necessary to calculate C)

i know that f(m,n)=f(m)*f(n) if X,Y are independent but how i am going to use this for calculate a?
 
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ParisSpart said:
we have X,Y variables and we have f(m,n)=P(X=m,Y=n)=C*((1/(a*m*n+15*m+11*n+8))^2)
for what value of a X,Y are indepedent? ( its not necessary to calculate C)

i know that f(m,n)=f(m)*f(n) if X,Y are independent but how i am going to use this for calculate a?

Never write what you did: you are using the same symbol (f) to mean three different things in the same problem. Use three different names, such as f(m,n) = g(m) * h(n).

Anyway, you need to find a value of 'a' that makes the denominator factor into a function of n alone times a factor of m alone.
 
i will estimate (a*m*n+15*m+11*n+8)^2) ? if i will do it i find 10 terms
 
Parispart, follow the advice
Ray Vickson said:
you need to find a value of 'a' that makes the denominator factor into a function of n alone times a factor of m alone.
 
i understand that i have to find a factor of n times a factor of n but i try to think how to do it using the 'a'
 
ParisSpart said:
i understand that i have to find a factor of n times a factor of n but i try to think how to do it using the 'a'
When you have found a, what do you think the factors will look like, in general terms? Can you write a generic form for those factors, using some other unknown constants?
 
Hi ParisSpart! :smile:

(just got up :zzz:)
ParisSpart said:
i understand that i have to find a factor of n times a factor of n but i try to think how to do it using the 'a'

Hint: if it was 1/(amn + m + n + 1)2,

how would you choose a so you could factor that? :wink:

(and what would the factors be?)
 

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