Calculating Velocity of a Crate on an Incline Using Spring Constant and Mass

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The discussion revolves around calculating the velocity of a crate sliding down a frictionless incline, utilizing the spring constant and mass of the crate. The problem involves concepts of energy conservation, including gravitational potential energy and spring potential energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Energy conservation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the conservation of energy principle, questioning how to relate potential energy and kinetic energy in the context of the problem. There are attempts to calculate the length of the incline and the velocity of the crate, with some confusion about the energy transformations involved.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided insights into the types of energy involved and have engaged in calculations regarding the velocity and spring compression. There is an ongoing examination of the energy conservation equations, with some participants confirming the correctness of calculations while others seek clarification on specific steps.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the assumption of frictionless surfaces and the need to consider multiple forms of energy in the calculations. There is also a mention of an impending physics final exam, which may influence the urgency of the discussion.

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[SOLVED] spring and box on incline

Homework Statement


A 50 kg mass rests atop a 20m high incline. The spring constant of a 10m long spring below is 1000N/m. The 50 kg crate is sent down the incline. Assume all surfaces in this problem are frictionless.
What is the velocity of the crate traveling along the horizontal surface?

Homework Equations


V_(f^2 )=V_(i^2 )+2aD
Fspring=kx
F=ma



The Attempt at a Solution



I am so confused by this problem. I tried to find the length of the incline, but couldn't figure out how. The only thing I could think to do was to find the potential energy of the crate, which is 9810 J. I know that only force gravity is acting of the crate, and that Fgy=FN, but that doesn't seem to help me at all.
Please help me if you can because I have a physics final exam tomorrow. Thank you so much.
 

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KAT444 said:
Assume all surfaces in this problem are frictionless.
Since there's no friction, what's conserved?
 
I don't want you to give me the answer, but is there anyway you could give me a little more information? I know that energy should be conserved, but the only formulas I know for the conservation of energy involve velocity, which I can't figure out a way to find.
 
There are three types of energy involved here: kinetic energy, gravitational potential energy, and spring potential energy. Only kinetic energy involves velocity.
 
Is this right? :

1/2mv^2 + mgy = 1/2mv^2 + mgy
0 + (50kg)(9.81m/s^2)(20m) = 1/2(50kg)v^2 + 0
19.81m/s = v

So then the spring would be compressed .9905m because:
f = ma
f = 50kg(19.81m/s)
f = 990.5N

fp = kx
990.5N = 1000N/m * x
.9905m = x

Thanks for all your help

-KAT444
 
KAT444 said:
Is this right? :

1/2mv^2 + mgy = 1/2mv^2 + mgy
0 + (50kg)(9.81m/s^2)(20m) = 1/2(50kg)v^2 + 0
19.81m/s = v
This is exactly correct. :smile:

So then the spring would be compressed .9905m because:
f = ma
f = 50kg(19.81m/s)
f = 990.5N

fp = kx
990.5N = 1000N/m * x
.9905m = x
This is not correct.

To find out how the spring compresses, again consider energy. What's the formula for the energy of a compressed spring?
 
Is this the right way:

elastic PE = 1/2kx^2
energy is conserved so . . .
9810J = 1/2(1000N/m)(x^2)
4.43m = x

Thanks - KAT444
 
KAT444 said:
Is this the right way:

elastic PE = 1/2kx^2
energy is conserved so . . .
9810J = 1/2(1000N/m)(x^2)
4.43m = x
Perfecto!
 
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Thanks again - KAT444
 

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