Calculating Weight Increase in Car Crash: 12 Stone Occupant at 30mph

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The discussion revolves around calculating the effects of a car crash involving a 12 stone occupant traveling at 30 mph coming to a stop. The original poster seeks to understand how to quantify the weight increase or impact forces experienced by the occupant during this scenario.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the distinction between weight and momentum, questioning how to calculate the forces involved in a crash scenario. There is a focus on the maximum weight that could affect the integrity of the passenger seat during an impact.

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Some participants have provided insights into the physics of momentum and forces during a crash, while others have raised questions about the assumptions made in the original poster's query. There is an ongoing exploration of the relevant equations and concepts without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of real-world crash dynamics, including the role of seatbelt connections and stopping distances, which may not align with the original poster's simplified scenario.

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1. Can you be of any help, I need a simple (if that is possible) equation to help
me determine the weight increase of a 12 stone occupant of a car doing 30mph
coming to a dead stop?




2. Don't have a clue



3. This is a very general question to put into a slide show presentation on Road Traffic Accidents, you may have to dumb down a bit but any help is appreciated.
 
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The traveling persons weight as such does not increase (talking non-relativistic speeds), rather his momentum.
 
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Thank you for that but its not what I meant, I realize that there are many forces which act on a body on impact I was looking for something to work out the max weight that will as you say with the momentum of a 30mph dead stop will tear out a passenger seat from its floor mountings, say rated to 50st max.
 
Well, I have yet to see a car where the seatbelt is connected to the chair, usually (in European cars) I see them connected to the cage frame.
As I see it applied, there is usually a stopping distance. If you take the stopping distance to 0, then all the kinetic energy is applied to the person via the seatbelt (no work is done), and that is not the real case.
Check out the examples here:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/seatb.html
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/carcr2.html#cc1

You can use the work equation:
[tex]W=\Delta E_{kin}=E_{kin2}-E_{kin1}=-E_{kin1}[/tex] since the car is stopped.

Now on the other hand
[tex]W=Fs \Rightarrow Fs=-E_{kin1} \Rightarrow F=\frac{-E_{kin1}}{s} \Rightarrow F=-\frac{mv^{2}}{2s}[/tex]

But that is all explained with examples in the links provided.
 

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