Calculating Work Done by a Force Using Integration

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by a force represented as F=(4xi + 3yj) as an object moves in the x direction from the origin to x = 5.00 m. Participants are exploring the integration of the dot product of the force vector and the displacement vector to find the work done.

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  • Participants discuss the direction of the displacement vector and the limits of integration. Some suggest focusing on the x-component of the force since the object only moves in the x direction. Others express confusion about integrating and the concept of work in relation to potential energy.

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There is ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the problem, including the potential energy perspective and the area under the force vs. distance graph. Some participants have provided links and references to clarify concepts, while others express uncertainty about the integration process and its application to the problem.

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Some participants indicate a lack of familiarity with potential energy (U) and its relation to work, suggesting that this is their first physics course. There is also mention of previous calculus knowledge that is not currently recalled, which may impact their understanding of integration in this context.

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Ok so my question is this,

A force F=(4xi +3yj) acts on an object as the oject moves in the x direction from the origin to x = 5.00m Find the work
w= (integral sign)F*dr done on the object by the force.

I'm completely stuck on this one, I know that I should just integrate the dot product of the force vector and displacement vector but I completely forget how to integrate! Or am I wrong??
 
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When you are integrating over the displacement..in what direction is the displacement vector? what are the limits of integration? does that help?

edit -- also think of an object with a force diagram on it... and what you work against to move it where you want it to go.
 
Ok so I think the object only moves in the x direction, so the only component of the force acting on it is the 4xi component. and the interval of the integral is x=0 to x=5. This kind of helps a little bit, but I'm still confused as to the whole concept of integrals, I did them in calculus but now that its over I completely forget.
 
I think the answer to the problem is that I have to find the area under the triangle formed by the graph of the Force vs Distance. which is 1/2(5*4x) or 1/2(5*20). But I would like to know the other way of doing it using integrals because I know eventually I will need to know them.
 
The work done by the force equals the change in potential U, where \vec{F}(x, y)=4x\vec{i} + 3y\vec{j}=\nabla U = \frac{\partial U}{\partial x}\vec{i}+\frac{\partial U}{\partial y}\vec{j}. You can obtain the potential U(x, y) by integration now easily. Hence, the work will equal W = U(5, 0) - U(0, 0).
 
I'm sorry I've never seen U before? Are you talking about energy? This is my first physics course and the only other time I've seen energy is in chemistry. How does work relate to U?? and is there a way to use integration in this problem without introducing energy?
 
amcca064 said:
I'm sorry I've never seen U before? Are you talking about energy? This is my first physics course and the only other time I've seen energy is in chemistry. How does work relate to U?? and is there a way to use integration in this problem without introducing energy?

Yes, U is potential energy. Since you mentioned integration, this is the only way that crossed my mind, and it is pretty simple. Btw, http://theoryx5.uwinnipeg.ca/mod_tech/node31.html" .
 
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thanks for the link but i still don't follow what you did, is the symbol in front of U delta? and I still don't understand integration.. I think I'm on the wrong forum for this..
 
your #4 message - correct!

to integrate, you would integrate 4x, to get 1/2*4x^2 and evaluate from 0 to 5... 1/2*4(25)=50... just like you got.
 
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physics girl phd said:
your #4 message - correct!

to integrate, you would integrate 4x, to get 1/2*4x^2 and evaluate from 0 to 5... 1/2*4(25)=50... just like you got.

...which is correct, since U(x, y) = 2x^2 + \frac{3}{2}y^2, and so W = U(5, 0) - U(0, 0) = 2\cdot 5^2 = 50 [J].
 
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Thanks physics girl, and radou I understand where your coming from now, thanks.
 

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