Calculating X: Kathryn's 40-Year Investment

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Kathryn's investment problem involves calculating the accumulated amount in an account after making deposits every four years over a 40-year period, with the condition that this amount is seven times the amount accumulated after 20 years. The problem is situated within the context of financial mathematics, specifically dealing with effective interest rates and geometric series.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formulation of the accumulated amounts using geometric series and question the implications of the interest rate derived from their equations. There is also a focus on clarifying the timing of the deposits and how that affects the calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the deposit timing and its impact on the final calculations. Some participants have suggested alternative approaches to solving for the interest rate, indicating a productive exploration of the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is a point of clarification regarding whether the deposits are staggered or occur at fixed intervals, which could significantly alter the calculations. Additionally, the results from mathematical software have raised concerns about the feasibility of the interest rate values obtained.

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Homework Statement



Kathryn deposits 100 into an account at the beginning of each 4-year period for 40 years. The account credits interest at an annual effective interest rate of i. The accumulated amount in the account at the end of 40 years is X, which is 7 times the accumulated amount in the account at the end of 20 years. Calculate X.

Homework Equations



[itex]\sum_{k=0}^{n - 1}ar^{k} = a\frac{1 - r^n}{1 - r}[/itex]

[itex]\sum_{k=0}^{n - 1}a(1 + i)^{k} = a\frac{1 - (1 + i)^n}{-i}[/itex]

[itex]\sum_{k=0}^{n - 1}a[(1 + i)^4]^{k} = a\frac{1 - [(1 + i)^4]^n}{1 - (1 + i)^4}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



We have [itex]400(1 + i)^{40} + 400(1 + i)^{36} + ... + 400 = \sum_{k=0}^{10}a[(1 + i)^4]^{k} = X[/itex] and [itex]400(1 + i)^{20} + 400(1 + i)^{16} + ... + 400 = \sum_{k=0}^{5}a[(1 + i)^4]^{k} = \frac{1}{7}X[/itex]

This implies that [itex]100\frac{1 - (1 + i)^{44}}{1 - (1 + i)^4} = 700\frac{1 - (1 + i)^{24}}{1 - (1 + i)^4}[/itex]

Now the problem is that when you try to solve for i using a mathematics program like wolfram alpha, you will find that i is either 0, -2, or two imaginary solutions. None of which sound like an interest rate.
 
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jdinatale said:

Homework Statement



Kathryn deposits 100 into an account at the beginning of each 4-year period for 40 years. The account credits interest at an annual effective interest rate of i. The accumulated amount in the account at the end of 40 years is X, which is 7 times the accumulated amount in the account at the end of 20 years. Calculate X.

Homework Equations



[itex]\sum_{k=0}^{n - 1}ar^{k} = a\frac{1 - r^n}{1 - r}[/itex]

[itex]\sum_{k=0}^{n - 1}a(1 + i)^{k} = a\frac{1 - (1 + i)^n}{-i}[/itex]

[itex]\sum_{k=0}^{n - 1}a[(1 + i)^4]^{k} = a\frac{1 - [(1 + i)^4]^n}{1 - (1 + i)^4}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



We have [itex]400(1 + i)^{40} + 400(1 + i)^{36} + ... + 400 = \sum_{k=0}^{10}a[(1 + i)^4]^{k} = X[/itex] and [itex]400(1 + i)^{20} + 400(1 + i)^{16} + ... + 400 = \sum_{k=0}^{5}a[(1 + i)^4]^{k} = \frac{1}{7}X[/itex]

This implies that [itex]100\frac{1 - (1 + i)^{44}}{1 - (1 + i)^4} = 700\frac{1 - (1 + i)^{24}}{1 - (1 + i)^4}[/itex]

Now the problem is that when you try to solve for i using a mathematics program like wolfram alpha, you will find that i is either 0, -2, or two imaginary solutions. None of which sound like an interest rate.

Point of clarification: do the investments take place only every 4 years, or do they cover staggered 4-year periods? In other words, if investment 1 goes from the start of year 1 to the end of year 4, does investment 2 start at the end of year 4 (= start of year 5) or does it start at the beginning of year 2? Obviously, the answers well be very different, depending on which scenario you pick.

RGV
 


Ray Vickson said:
Point of clarification: do the investments take place only every 4 years, or do they cover staggered 4-year periods? In other words, if investment 1 goes from the start of year 1 to the end of year 4, does investment 2 start at the end of year 4 (= start of year 5) or does it start at the beginning of year 2? Obviously, the answers well be very different, depending on which scenario you pick.

RGV

Thanks for the prompt response, allow me to clarify. At t = 0, 100 is deposited, at t = 4, 100 is deposited, ..., and at t = 40, 100 is deposited.

The initial 100 deposit gets 40 years worth of interest or 100(1 + i)^40, the second deposit gets 36 years worth of interest or 100(1 + i)^36, all the way down to the last payment of 100 at t = 40 which accrues no interest.
 


jdinatale said:

Homework Statement



Kathryn deposits 100 into an account at the beginning of each 4-year period for 40 years. The account credits interest at an annual effective interest rate of i. The accumulated amount in the account at the end of 40 years is X, which is 7 times the accumulated amount in the account at the end of 20 years. Calculate X.

Homework Equations



[itex]\sum_{k=0}^{n - 1}ar^{k} = a\frac{1 - r^n}{1 - r}[/itex]

[itex]\sum_{k=0}^{n - 1}a(1 + i)^{k} = a\frac{1 - (1 + i)^n}{-i}[/itex]

[itex]\sum_{k=0}^{n - 1}a[(1 + i)^4]^{k} = a\frac{1 - [(1 + i)^4]^n}{1 - (1 + i)^4}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



We have [itex]400(1 + i)^{40} + 400(1 + i)^{36} + ... + 400 = \sum_{k=0}^{10}a[(1 + i)^4]^{k} = X[/itex] and [itex]400(1 + i)^{20} + 400(1 + i)^{16} + ... + 400 = \sum_{k=0}^{5}a[(1 + i)^4]^{k} = \frac{1}{7}X[/itex]

This implies that [itex]100\frac{1 - (1 + i)^{44}}{1 - (1 + i)^4} = 700\frac{1 - (1 + i)^{24}}{1 - (1 + i)^4}[/itex]

Now the problem is that when you try to solve for i using a mathematics program like wolfram alpha, you will find that i is either 0, -2, or two imaginary solutions. None of which sound like an interest rate.

If you set [itex]x = (1+i)^4[/itex] you end up with the equation [itex]1-x^{11} = 7 - 7x^6,[/itex] which does have some appropriate solutions, from which you can then find i (again, obtaining an appropriate value).

RGV
 

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