Calculation of mean energy value of photons in recombination

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the mean energy value of Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) photons during the process of recombination, particularly focusing on the relationship between photon energy and the ionization energy of hydrogen. Participants explore the implications of photon energy distributions and the conditions under which recombination occurs.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that recombination is thought to occur when the average energy of photons is around 0.3 eV, corresponding to a temperature of 3000 K, but questions the assertion that only a billionth of the most energetic photons must equal the ionization energy of hydrogen (13.6 eV).
  • Another participant explains that at the time of recombination, the ratio of photons to protons/electrons is approximately a billion to one, suggesting that only a small fraction of photons are involved in the recombination process.
  • There is a discussion about whether the photon produced in the recombination reaction has energy equal to or greater than 13.6 eV, with participants agreeing that it does.
  • Participants consider the implications of this agreement, noting that if the photons from the recombination reaction are among the most energetic, then the majority of photons must have lower energy.
  • A link to an external resource is provided, which may contain relevant figures or explanations related to the CMB and recombination.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relationship between the energy of photons produced during recombination and the ionization energy of hydrogen, but the initial assertion regarding the necessity of the billionth of the most energetic photons equating to 13.6 eV remains a point of inquiry without a definitive resolution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves complex relationships between photon energy distributions, the Saha equation, and the statistical mechanics of photons, which may not be fully resolved in the current exchanges.

eliot13
I am interested in the calculation of the mean energy value of CMB (Cosmic Microwave Background) photons from which the recombination is performed.

The subject on French Wikipedia says :

"Intuitively, one might say that recombination occurs when energy average of photons is of the order of the ionization energy of hydrogen, 13.6 eV, or about 150 000 Kelvin. In practice, this estimate is incorrect, because the universe is a system that has a large number of photons by the atomic nucleus (of the order of one proton for one billion photons). Therefore, what matters is that the energy of a billionth of the most energetic photons is of the order of the ionization energy of the hydrogen atom. This occurs when the average energy of the "whole" of the photons is less than 13.6 eV.

Taking $$x_{e}$$ the ratio of the abundance of free electrons to the total abundance of hydrogen (both neutral and ionized), i.e :
$$x_{e}=\dfrac{n_{e}}{n_{p}+n_{H}}$$
with $$n_{e}$$ the number density of free electrons, $$n_{H}$$ that of atomic hydrogen and $$n_{p}$$ that of ionized hydrogen (i.e. protons). Saha equation yields :
$$\dfrac{x_{e}^{2}}{1-x_{e}}=\dfrac{5.8\,10^{21}}{\Omega_{b}h^{2}\,T^{3/2}}\,exp\big(\dfrac{-1.58\,10^{5}}{T}\big)$$
Then, recombination is done when average energy value of photons equals to 0.3 eV , so a temperature of 3000 K.
"

Why do the billionth of the most energetic photons has to be equal to 13.6 eV ?

I would like to find a demonstration which explains that the energy of a billionth of the most energetic photons must be of the order of the ionization energy of the hydrogen atom (13.6 eV).

To formulate a demonstration, I may start from a probability density function ( Maybe Bose-Einstein distribution for photons) and/or Saha equation.

It seems to be an issue to solve but I want to clarify with a mathematical point of view (with probabilities) this above affirmation.

Thanks in advance
 
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eliot13 said:
Why do the billionth of the most energetic photons has to be equal to 13.6 eV ?

Because at the time of recombination, only a billionth of the photons are photons that came from a proton and electron recombining into a hydrogen atom, because the ratio of the number of photons to the number of protons/electrons in the universe is a billion to one.
 
PeterDonis said:
Because at the time of recombination, only a billionth of the photons are photons that came from a proton and electron recombining into a hydrogen atom, because the ratio of the number of photons to the number of protons/electrons in the universe is a billion to one.

Do you mean that in the following reaction :

$$H^{+} + e^{-} \longrightarrow H + \gamma$$

the produced photon $$\gamma$$ has an energy equal or greater than 13.6 eV ?

Then, could we say photons that came from this reaction are part of the most energetic photons ? (that would imply that the rest (a large majority) of photons has an energy lower than 13.6 eV).
 
eliot13 said:
Do you mean that in the following reaction :
$$
H^{+} + e^{-} \longrightarrow H + \gamma
$$

the produced photon

$$
\gamma
$$

has an energy equal or greater than 13.6 eV ?

Yes.
eliot13 said:
Then, could we say photons that came from this reaction are part of the most energetic photons ? (that would imply that the rest (a large majority) of photons has an energy lower than 13.6 eV).

Yes.
 

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