Calculation of the running coupling

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the running coupling in quantum electrodynamics (QED), specifically focusing on the beta function and its implications for the behavior of the coupling constant as a function of momentum scale. Participants explore the integration process involved in deriving the relationship between the coupling constants at different scales.

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  • One participant presents the beta function and attempts to derive the running coupling, noting a discrepancy in the final result.
  • Another participant suggests that there may be an error in the integration process and proposes an alternative approach to compute the relationship between the coupling constants.
  • A later reply corrects earlier typing errors and clarifies the integration steps, indicating that the sign in the denominator was the main issue.
  • Another participant identifies a mistake related to the bounds of the integral when changing variables, which affects the integration outcome.
  • The original poster acknowledges the mistake regarding the variable of integration, indicating a misunderstanding in their approach.

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Participants generally agree on the need to clarify the integration process and the bounds used, but there are differing views on the implications of the results and the specific errors made in the calculations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct interpretation of the results.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings in the integration process and the dependence on the correct interpretation of the beta function and its application to QED. The discussion highlights the complexity of deriving results in quantum field theory.

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The beta function is defined as:

\beta(\lambda)=M\frac{d}{dM}\lambda

If we make the substitution t=ln(p/M) the above equation becomes:

\beta(\lambda)=-\frac{d}{dt}\lambda

Now if we use e.g. the QED beta function

\beta(e)=\frac{e^3}{12\pi^3}

and for e(p=M)=e_0 the result is

e=\frac{e_0}{1+(3e_0/16\pi^2)log(p/M)}

which is clearly false.

What am I missing?
 
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I think there must be some mistake in your integration. I would compute
$$ \int_{e(p)}^{e(M)} \frac{ de}{e^3} = \int_p^M \frac{1}{12\pi^2} \frac{dM}{M}$$
to find
$$ e(p)^2 = \frac{ e(M)^2}{1 + \frac{e(M)^2}{6\pi^2} \ln \frac{M}{p}},$$
which seems to have the behavior we ordinarily associate with QED.
 
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I've made some typing errors.

The integration after introducing the new variable t=\ln{(p/M)} is:

\frac{de}{dt}=-\frac{e^3}{12\pi^2}
\int_{e(p)}^{e(M)} \frac{ de}{e^3} = -\frac{1}{12\pi^2} \int_{\ln{(p/M)}}^0 dt

which yields the final result

e(p)^2 = \frac{ e(M)^2}{1 + \frac{e(M)^2}{6\pi^2} \ln \frac{p}{M}}

The only disagreement between the two results that I was referring to in my original post is the wrong sign in the denominator.
 
It took me a couple of tries to realize it, but the problem is in the bounds on your integral. We start with
$$ I = \int_{M'=p}^{M' = M} \frac{dM'}{M'},$$
so when you change variables to ##t= \ln p/M'##, then
$$ I = - \int_0^{\ln p/M} dt.$$
 
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You are right, I was thinking about p as the integral variable, but it was M' instead. Thanks for clearing this out!
 
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