Calculus of Variation: Maximizing Volume & Min Area

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The discussion revolves around the problem of determining the geometric surface that maximizes volume while minimizing surface area, particularly in the context of calculus of variations. Participants explore different formulations of the problem and the implications of these formulations on the nature of the solution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests rephrasing the problem to focus on maximizing volume with a given surface area, indicating a specific constraint of 1 unit-squared of material.
  • Another participant presents a mathematical formulation involving the bounded region $\Omega$ in $\mathbb{R}^3$ and the conditions for maximizing volume under surface area constraints.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexity of the problem, noting that it may require restrictions to measurable sets for a proper formulation.
  • Some participants assert that the smallest surface containing a given volume is a sphere, suggesting a relationship between surface area and volume maximization.
  • One participant mentions that the solution involves solving a non-linear partial differential equation of order 2, indicating the problem's complexity.
  • A metaphorical reference to soap bubbles is made, implying that they naturally form spherical shapes under similar constraints.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to phrase the problem and the implications of those formulations. There is no consensus on a single approach or solution, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to tackle the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the phrasing of the question significantly affects its complexity and the assumptions involved. The discussion highlights the need for careful consideration of definitions and constraints in mathematical problems of this nature.

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How do I set up the following problem?

What geometric surface encloses the maximum volume with the minimum surface area?
 
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dwsmith said:
How do I set up the following problem?

What geometric surface encloses the maximum volume with the minimum surface area?

I think you want to rephrase it as, "What geometric surface encloses the maximum volume with a given surface area". In other words, you have 1 unit-squared of material and you want to enclose a surface to yields maximum volume.

Let $\Omega$ be bounded region in $\mathbb{R}^3$. You want to maximize,
$$ \iiint_\Omega 1 $$
Given the condition that,
$$ \iint_{\partial \Omega} 1 ~ ds = 1 $$

If we care about small details this question is a lot more complicated to phrase. Then we need to restrict ourselves to measurable sets such that .. blah blah blah.
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Here is another way to phrase it: Suppose $\Omega$ is a bounded (measurable) region in space with $\partial \Omega$ (boundary of $\Omega$) being a surface. Then,
$$ \text{Volume}(\Omega) \leq \frac{1}{6\sqrt{\pi}} \text{Area}(\partial \Omega)^{3/2} $$
 
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ThePerfectHacker said:
I think you want to rephrase it as, "What geometric surface encloses the maximum volume with a given surface area". In other words, you have 1 unit-squared of material and you want to enclose a surface to yields maximum volume.

Let $\Omega$ be bounded region in $\mathbb{R}^3$. You want to maximize,
$$ \iiint_\Omega 1 $$
Given the condition that,
$$ \iint_{\partial \Omega} 1 ~ ds = 1 $$

If we care about small details this question is a lot more complicated to phrase. Then we need to restrict ourselves to measurable sets such that .. blah blah blah.

I don't think I want to rephrase it. The question is number 13 here
 
That's still a very badly phrased question. I think they expect you to combine the facts that the smallest surface containing a given volume is a sphere and that the largest area for a given size surface is a sphere.
 
HallsofIvy said:
That's still a very badly phrased question. I think they expect you to combine the facts that the smallest surface containing a given volume is a sphere and that the largest area for a given size surface is a sphere.

Then how would I show a sphere is the smallest surface containing a given volume?
 
This is a very complicated question without any "simple" answer, as the solution involves solving a non-linear partial differential equation of order 2.

The "best" answer that isn't too complicated I can think of is: soap bubbles are smarter than us, and they form spherical shells under such constraints.
 

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