Calculus problem involving Mean-value Theorem and Riemann integrable functions

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a differentiable function \( f: [a,b] \rightarrow \mathbb{R} \) and requires showing an inequality related to the lower sum \( L(P,f') \) of its derivative over a partition \( P \) of the interval \([a,b]\). The Mean Value Theorem (MVT) is suggested as a key tool in the discussion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the Mean Value Theorem to both the entire interval \([a,b]\) and to subintervals \([x_{j-1},x_j]\). There are attempts to relate the infimum of the derivative \( m_j \) to the values of \( f' \) at specific points \( c_j \) within each subinterval. Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of varying widths of the intervals and the assumptions regarding continuity and differentiability.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and suggestions for applying the Mean Value Theorem correctly. There is recognition of the need to clarify how \( m_j \) relates to \( f'(c_j) \) and the implications of the definitions involved. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, and guidance is being offered without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of the differentiability and continuity of \( f \) on the specified intervals, as well as the implications of the partition's structure on the analysis. There is mention of the potential confusion arising from assuming equal widths of the intervals, which is not guaranteed.

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Homework Statement



Let ##f:[a,b] \rightarrow R## be a differentiable function. Show that if ##P = \{ x_0 , x_1 , ... , x_n \}## is a partition of ##[a,b]## then $$L(P,f')=\sum_{j=1}^n m_j \Delta x_j \leq f(b) - f(a)$$ where ##m_j=inf \{ f'(t) : t \in [x_{j-1} , x_j ] \}## and ##\Delta x_j = x_j - x_{j-1}## for each ##1 \leq j \leq n##. Hint: Use the Mean-value Theorem.

Homework Equations



Mean-value Theorem:
If ##f## is continuous on ##[a,b]## and differentiable on ##(a,b)## then there exists a ##c \in (a,b)## such that $$f'(c) = \frac{f(b)-f(a)}{b-a}$$

The Attempt at a Solution



##f## is differentiable on ##[a,b]##, so it must also be continuous on ##[a,b]##, so by the mean value theorem there exists a ##c \in [a,b]## such that $$f'(c) = \frac{f(b)-f(a)}{b-a}$$ $$\sum_{j=1}^n \Delta x_j = b-a$$ $$\Leftrightarrow \sum_{j=1}^n m_j \Delta x_j = (b-a)\sum_{j=1}^n m_j \leq f(b) - f(a)$$ $$\Leftrightarrow \sum_{j=1}^n m_j \leq \frac{f(b) - f(a)}{b-a} = f'(c)$$ (where ##f'(c)## is described by the MVT)

which is about as far as I have gotten. I would really appreciate any assistance. I don't really know how I am supposed to bring MVT into this; how I have done so here doesn't really seem to help me.

Thanks very much in advance.
 
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It just occurred to me that I can't necessarily assume I can factor out ##(b-a)## unless I know that all ##\Delta x## are of equal width... which I do not. The only thing I can think to do in that case is: $$L(P,f') = \sum_{j=1}^n m_j \Delta x_j \leq f'(b) - f'(a)$$ but I am still stumped as to how I use MVT here, and how this relates to the original inequality.
 
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Apply the mean value theorem not to [a,b], but to each [x_{j-1},x_j].
 
pasmith said:
Apply the mean value theorem not to [a,b], but to each [x_{j-1},x_j].

Following your suggestion, I have made a further attempt at solving the problem:

##f## is differentiable and continuous on ##[a,b]## so ##f## must also be differentiable and continuous on every ##\Delta x=[x_{j-1},x_j]##. Thus, there exists a ##c \in [x_{j-1},x_j]## such that $$f'(c)=\frac{f(x_j)-f(x_{j-1})}{\Delta x_j}$$ $$\Leftrightarrow \Delta x_j=\frac{f(x_j)-f(x_{j-1})}{f'(c)}$$ $$\Leftrightarrow \sum_{j=1}^n m_j\frac{f(x_j)-f(x_{j-1})}{f'(c)}\leq f(b)-f(a)$$ Now, I am not sure about this next part.

We know that ##m_j=inf\{ f'(x):x\in [x_{j-1},x_j]\}##, so if we choose ##x=c## then we get ##m_j=inf\{ f'(c):c\in [x_{j-1},x_j]\}## which gives $$\sum_{j=1}^n [f(x_j)-f(x_{j-1})]\leq f(b)-f(a)$$ but I don't really know if that's right, or how to explain if it is.

Is anyone able to give me further guidance here? Thanks in advance.
 
CatWhisperer said:
Following your suggestion, I have made a further attempt at solving the problem:

##f## is differentiable and continuous on ##[a,b]## so ##f## must also be differentiable and continuous on every ##\Delta x=[x_{j-1},x_j]##. Thus, there exists a ##c \in [x_{j-1},x_j]## such that $$f'(c)=\frac{f(x_j)-f(x_{j-1})}{\Delta x_j}$$

You don't get the same ##c## on each interval. You could say there exists ##c_j \in [x_{j-1},x_j]## such that$$
f'(c_j)=\frac{f(x_j)-f(x_{j-1})}{\Delta x_j}$$

The rest of your argument has gone off the tracks. The next thing you should write down is the sum you are trying to work with:$$
L(P,f') = \sum_{j=1}^n m_j\Delta x_j$$Now think about how ##f'(c_j)## compares with ##m_j##.
 
Okay so I think I understand this a lot better now. I drew a picture to understand all the parts of the problem and how they relate to one another and have attempted to write the proof, however I can't be sure if my explanations are adequate. Any feedback is much appreciated:

##f## is differentiable on ##[a,b]##, so ##f## is differentiable on each ##[x_{j-1},x_j]##, so ##f## is continuous on each ##[x_{j-1},x_j]##. Thus, by the Mean-value Theorem for differentiation, there exists a ##c\in [x_{j-1},x_j]## such that $$f'(c)=\frac{f(x_j)-f(x_{j-1})}{\Delta x_j}$$ $$\Leftrightarrow f'(c)\Delta x_j=f(x_j)-f(x_{j-1})$$ $$\Leftrightarrow \sum_{j=1}^n f'(c)\Delta x_j=\sum_{j=1}^n f(x_j)-f(x_{j-1})$$ for each ##c\in [x_{j-1},x_j]##.

As ##\Delta x_j\rightarrow 0##, ##m_j\rightarrow f'(c)##, thus $$\sum_{j=1}^n m_j\Delta x_j\leq \sum_{j=1}^n f'(c_j)\Delta x_j$$ (this part I am not sure if I need to include additional explanation. I proved it to myself visually but that wouldn't be an acceptable method for this type of problem).

As ##\Delta x_j\rightarrow 0## $$\sum_{j=1}^n f(x_j)-f(x_{j-1})\rightarrow f(b)-f(a)$$ Thus, $$\sum_{j=1}^n f'(c_j)\Delta x_j\leq f(b)-f(a)$$ Therefore $$\sum_{j=1}^n m_j\Delta x_j\leq \sum_{j=1}^n f'(c_j)\Delta x_j\leq f(b)-f(a)$$ $$\Leftrightarrow L(P,f')=\sum_{j=1}^n m_j\Delta x_j\leq f(b)-f(a)$$
 
CatWhisperer said:
Okay so I think I understand this a lot better now.

I don't think so. It's still very confused. There is nothing in this problem about ##\Delta x_j\rightarrow 0##.

Here's what I suggested before:
You could say there exists ##c_j\in[x_{j−1},x_j]## such that
##f′(c_j)=\frac{f(x_j)−f(x_{j−1})}{Δx_j}##The next thing you should write down is the sum you are trying to work with:$$
L(P,f′)=\sum_{j=1}^n m_jΔx_j$$
Now think about how ##f′(c_j)## compares with ##m_j##. Try following that advice without quoting a bunch of extraneous stuff. It only takes about two steps.
 
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Okay...

There exists a ##c_j\in [x_{j-1},x_j]## such that $$f'(c_j)=\frac{f(x_j)-f(x_{j-1})}{\Delta x_j}$$ Now, $$L(P,f')=\sum_{j=1}^n m_j\Delta x_j$$ And $$m_j=inf\{ f'(c_j):c_j\in [x_{j-1},x_j]\}$$ $$\Leftrightarrow m_j=\frac{inf\{ f(x_j)-f(x_{j-1})\} }{\Delta x_j}$$ $$\Leftrightarrow L(P,f')=\sum_{j=1}^n \frac{inf\{ f(x_j)-f(x_{j-1})\} }{\Delta x_j}\Delta x_j=\sum_{j=1}^n inf\{ f(x_j)-f(x_{j-1})\} $$ $$\Leftrightarrow L(P,f')=\sum_{j=1}^n m_j\Delta x_j\leq f(b)-f(a)$$

?
 
CatWhisperer said:
Okay...

There exists a ##c_j\in [x_{j-1},x_j]## such that $$f'(c_j)=\frac{f(x_j)-f(x_{j-1})}{\Delta x_j}$$ Now, $$L(P,f')=\sum_{j=1}^n m_j\Delta x_j$$ And $$m_j=inf\{ f'(c_j):c_j\in [x_{j-1},x_j]\}$$

##c_j## is given on each interval by the MVT. You have no choice about it and you can't vary it so that infimum makes no sense. Look again at your definition of ##m_j## in your original post. Like I asked before, how does ##m_j## compare with ##f'(c_j)## ?
 
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