Using Mean Value Theorem to Prove a Summation Equation?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around using the Mean Value Theorem (MVT) to demonstrate a relationship involving a summation equation and the expression \(\frac{b^3-a^3}{b-a}\). The problem is situated within the context of calculus, specifically focusing on integrals and Riemann sums.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the application of the MVT to relate the summation of squared terms to the difference of cubes. There is discussion about the interpretation of the variables involved, particularly the role of \(d_j\) and its relationship to \(c\) in the MVT. Some participants question the assumptions regarding the partition points \(x_j\) and their implications for the proof.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the application of the MVT and discussing the implications of their findings. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of specific points in the intervals and the nature of the sums involved. However, there is no explicit consensus on the best approach to take, and various interpretations are being explored.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the setup of the problem, particularly concerning the definitions of the variables and the assumptions about the continuity and differentiability required by the MVT. Participants also note the need to show that certain sums are independent of the partition norm.

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Homework Statement


Use the mean value theorem to show that \frac{b^3-a^3}{b-a} = \sum_{j=1}^{n}d_j^2 (x_j - x_{j-1}) \text{where} x_{j-1} < d_j < x_j .


Homework Equations


The mean value theorem states that if f is continuous on [a,b] and differentiable on (a,b) then there exists a c in (a,b) such that f(c) = \frac{f(b)-f(a)}{b-a}.



The Attempt at a Solution

I think I'm approaching this wrong, but I am trying to think of \sum_{j=1}^{n}d_j^2 (x_j - x_{j-1}) as the derivative of a function \sum_{j=1}^{n}\frac{d_j^3}{3} (x_j - x_{j-1}). This way \frac{f(b)-f(a)}{b-a} resembles \frac{b^3-a^3}{b-a}, but then it's unclear where the function is being evaluated at since you have several different d's. It seems clear that the d's are analogous to c in the MVT, but maybe I'm confused because there is a single c in the MVT and several d's.
 
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Does it say anything about what the xjs are?
 
The xj's are a partition of the interval [a,b]. Sorry I forgot to mention that.
 
Yagoda said:

Homework Statement


Use the mean value theorem to show that \frac{b^3-a^3}{b-a} = \sum_{j=1}^{n}d_j^2 (x_j - x_{j-1}) \text{where} x_{j-1} < d_j < x_j .

I think you mean
<br /> \frac{b^3-a^3}{3} = \sum_{j=1}^{n}d_j^2 (x_j - x_{j-1})<br />
(The question wants you to find a telescoping Riemann sum for \int_a^b x^2\,dx).

Homework Equations


The mean value theorem states that if f is continuous on [a,b] and differentiable on (a,b) then there exists a c in (a,b) such that f(c) = \frac{f(b)-f(a)}{b-a}.

No, it states that under those conditions there exists c \in (a,b) such that
<br /> f&#039;(c) = \frac{f(b)-f(a)}{b-a}<br />

The Attempt at a Solution

I think I'm approaching this wrong, but I am trying to think of \sum_{j=1}^{n}d_j^2 (x_j - x_{j-1}) as the derivative of a function \sum_{j=1}^{n}\frac{d_j^3}{3} (x_j - x_{j-1}). This way \frac{f(b)-f(a)}{b-a} resembles \frac{b^3-a^3}{b-a}, but then it's unclear where the function is being evaluated at since you have several different d's. It seems clear that the d's are analogous to c in the MVT, but maybe I'm confused because there is a single c in the MVT and several d's.

You need to apply the MVT to f(x) = x^3 on the subinterval [x_{j-1}, x_j].
 
Sorry for the typos. I see how to use the MVT now. Not sure if I should post this is a new thread, but I'm now trying to use this result to prove that integral of f(x)=x^2 on [a,b] both exists and equals \frac{b^3-a^3}{3}.

I know that for a quadratic, the point that satisfies the MVT is the midpoint of the interval, \hat{c_i} = \frac{x_j + x_{j-1}}{2}. So to generalize for any point c in any partition we know that any point in [x_{j-1}, x_j ] is at most \frac{||P||}{2} units away from \hat{c_i}, where ||P|| is the norm of the partition. Call the actual distance from the midpoint \partial_j.

So I want to show that \left| \sum_{j=1}^{n} \left(\frac{x_j + x_{j-1}}{2} + \partial_j\right)^3 (x_j - x_{j-1}) - \frac{b^3-a^3}{3} \right| &lt; \epsilon when ||P||&lt; \delta. I was hoping to bound the d's by ||P||/2 and use that to find a delta, but this sum turns out very messy and the terms don't cancel nicely like I'd hoped. Is this the right approach?
 
Yagoda said:
Sorry for the typos. I see how to use the MVT now. Not sure if I should post this is a new thread, but I'm now trying to use this result to prove that integral of f(x)=x^2 on [a,b] both exists and equals \frac{b^3-a^3}{3}.

I know that for a quadratic, the point that satisfies the MVT is the midpoint of the interval, \hat{c_i} = \frac{x_j + x_{j-1}}{2}. So to generalize for any point c in any partition we know that any point in [x_{j-1}, x_j ] is at most \frac{||P||}{2} units away from \hat{c_i}, where ||P|| is the norm of the partition. Call the actual distance from the midpoint \partial_j.

So I want to show that \left| \sum_{j=1}^{n} \left(\frac{x_j + x_{j-1}}{2} + \partial_j\right)^3 (x_j - x_{j-1}) - \frac{b^3-a^3}{3} \right| &lt; \epsilon when ||P||&lt; \delta. I was hoping to bound the d's by ||P||/2 and use that to find a delta, but this sum turns out very messy and the terms don't cancel nicely like I'd hoped. Is this the right approach?

That is not the right approach.

It is enough if you can find a Riemann sum whose value is independent of the norm of the partition. Then the function is integrable and its integral is the value of that sum. The MVT allows you to do that.

Thus, by the MVT applied to x^3 on [x_{j-1},x_j] there exists z_j \in [x_{j-1},x_j] such that
3z_j^2 = \frac{x_j^3 - x_{j-1}^3}{x_j - x_{j-1}}.
Hence, after multiplying by (x_j - x_{j-1})/3 and summing over j,
<br /> \sum_{j=1}^n z_j^2 (x_j - x_{j-1}) = \frac13 \sum_{j=1}^n (x_j^3 - x_{j-1}^3)<br />
The sum on the right can now be evaluated.
 
The MVT only says that there exists a z_j such that \sum_{j=1}^n z_j^2 (x_j - x_{j-1}) = \frac13 \sum_{j=1}^n (x_j^3 - x_{j-1}^3), but not that this is necessarily true of any point in the interval.

We were shown a similar example where f(x) = x and we chose to evaluate the Riemann sum at the midpoint of the interval c_j = \frac{x_{j-1}+ x_j}{2} so it turned out to be that \sigma = \frac12 \sum_{j=1}^n (x_{j-1}+ x_j) (x_j - x_{j-1}) = \frac12 (b-a), which does not appear to depend on ||P||, but we were told then that we had to show that this answer was independent of the choice of c_j, which we did by bounding the distance of any point in the interval (x_{j-1}, x_j) from the midpoint by ||P||/2.

I am curious why this last step is not necessary with the f(x) = x^2 problem because it seems like using the MVT to find the sum at a certain point is similar to evaluating the sum at the midpoint.
 
Yagoda said:
The MVT only says that there exists a z_j such that \sum_{j=1}^n z_j^2 (x_j - x_{j-1}) = \frac13 \sum_{j=1}^n (x_j^3 - x_{j-1}^3), but not that this is necessarily true of any point in the interval.

We were shown a similar example where f(x) = x and we chose to evaluate the Riemann sum at the midpoint of the interval c_j = \frac{x_{j-1}+ x_j}{2} so it turned out to be that \sigma = \frac12 \sum_{j=1}^n (x_{j-1}+ x_j) (x_j - x_{j-1}) = \frac12 (b-a), which does not appear to depend on ||P||, but we were told then that we had to show that this answer was independent of the choice of c_j, which we did by bounding the distance of any point in the interval (x_{j-1}, x_j) from the midpoint by ||P||/2.

I am curious why this last step is not necessary with the f(x) = x^2 problem because it seems like using the MVT to find the sum at a certain point is similar to evaluating the sum at the midpoint.

I appear to have been implicitly assuming that you have already proven that x^2 is integrable by some other means.

I think what you want to do to show that the sum is independent of the choice of point in each subinterval is to show that for all \epsilon &gt; 0 there exists \delta &gt; 0 such that if \|P\| &lt; \delta then
<br /> \left| \sum_{j} (z_j + \eta_j)^2(x_j - x_{j-1}) - \frac{b^3 - a^3}3 \right| &lt; \epsilon<br />
where |\eta_j| &lt; \frac12(x_j - x_{j-1}) and z_j is given by the MVT.
 
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