Can a 4x4 matrix act on a 2x2 matrix in a specific way?

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The discussion revolves around the interaction between a 4x4 matrix and a 2x2 matrix, particularly in the context of quantum mechanics and tensor products. Participants explore how operators, specifically Pauli matrices, act on direct products of vector spaces and how to manipulate matrices in this framework.

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  • Some participants propose that the direct product of spaces is acted upon by the direct product of operator algebras, where an operator acting on one factor is combined with the identity operator of the other factor.
  • One participant describes the tensor product of two Hilbert spaces as a space of n x n matrices, specifically discussing spin states represented as vectors.
  • Another participant questions how a 4x4 matrix can act on a 2x2 matrix, seeking clarification on the process involved.
  • A later reply suggests rearranging the entries of the 4x4 matrix into a vector of length 4 to facilitate the operation, indicating a method for achieving this interaction.

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Participants express differing views on the specifics of how a 4x4 matrix can act on a 2x2 matrix, with no consensus reached on the methodology or implications of such an operation.

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Limitations include the need for clarity on the arrangement of matrix entries and the assumptions regarding the nature of the matrices involved in the operation.

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So what I don't quite understand, is how direct products in Quantum mechanics can be acted upon with operators. Specifically spin up and spin down states, which I believe are (1,0) and (0,1) vectors.
Now when we have an H atom, we have a proton and electron, so the wavefunction now is the direct product of the spin states of electron and proton. Assuming these are (0,1) and (0,1), so both are in down state, what does the direct product look like? (0,1,0,1)?
And when we act on such a direct product with the sigma (Pauli) matrices, and sigma+ and sigma-, we act on the individually, is that right?
Thank you!

PS. this is NOT homework help, term hasnt even started and this is a past question sheet. Also, I have answers, but they are brief and incorrect.

THANK YOU! :)
 

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The direct (tensor) product of spaces is acted upon by the direct (tensor) product of operator algebras. An operator [itex]A[/itex] acting only on, say, the first factor vector would then be appended with the identity of the other factor algebra.
[tex]A \mapsto A \otimes \boldsymbol{1}[/tex]
Where [itex]A\psi = \phi[/itex] then [itex]( A\otimes \boldsymbol{1} )\psi\otimes \xi =\phi\otimes\xi[/itex].
 
Replusz said:
how direct products in Quantum mechanics can be acted upon with operators. Specifically spin up and spin down states, which I believe are (1,0) and (0,1) vectors.
The simplest way to look at the tensor product of two Hilbert spaces of n-dimensional vectors representing two systems 1 and 2 is as a space of ##n\times n## matrices. n=2 for two spins. The general pure state is such a matrix ##\psi##, and the inner product is ##\langle\phi|\psi\rangle=Tr~\phi^*\psi##, where the star denotes conjugate transpose.

The tensor product ##\psi:=\psi_1\otimes \psi_2## of two single spin states ##\psi_1## and ##\psi_2## is the outer product matrix ##\psi=\psi_1\psi_2^T##. For example, if ##\psi_1=|up\rangle={1 \choose 0}## and ##\psi_2=|down\rangle={0 \choose 1}## then ##\psi:=\psi_1\otimes \psi_2=\pmatrix{0 & 1 \cr 0 & 0}##.

The operators of system 1 act by multiplication on the left, those of system 2 act by multiplication with the transpose on the right. The tensor product ##A_1\otimes A_2## thus maps ##\psi## to ##A_1\psi A_2^T##. It is easily checked that it therefore maps ##\psi_1\otimes \psi_2## to ##A_1\psi_1\otimes A_2\psi_2##, which is the usual definition.
 
Ah okay! Thank you.
But how can I act with a 4x4 matrix on a 2x2 matrix? As in the problem
 
Replusz said:
But how can I act with a 4x4 matrix on a 2x2 matrix? As in the problem
In this case you need to rearrange the 4 entries of the matrix into a vector of length 4 in a way conforming to the content, usually rowwise or columnwise.
 

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