Decompose SL(2C) Matrix: Real Parameters from Complex

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The discussion revolves around the decomposition of an SL(2C) matrix expressed in terms of complex parameters into a form that utilizes real parameters. Participants explore the mathematical implications of this decomposition, including the nature of the rotation and boost parameters involved.

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  • One participant proposes decomposing an SL(2C) matrix of the form ##\exp(i\alpha/2 \vec{t}\cdot\vec{\sigma})## into a product involving real parameters, specifically ##\exp(i\beta/2 \vec{q}\cdot\vec{\sigma})\exp(\gamma\sigma_z)##.
  • Another participant suggests that if ##\vec{t}\cdot\vec{\sigma}## were real, specific relationships could be established between the parameters, but acknowledges that this assumption is incorrect.
  • A participant clarifies that a general Lorentz transformation cannot be decomposed into a boost along the z-axis and a rotation, but can be decomposed into a boost and a rotation in general, referencing polar decomposition.
  • There is a suggestion to consider the series expansion of the matrix exponential to separate real and imaginary parts, although the utility of this approach is questioned.
  • One participant connects the discussion to the concepts of Malcev decomposition and Jordan-Chevalley decomposition within Lie algebras, suggesting that similar principles may apply to groups.
  • Another participant agrees that the decomposition resembles polar decomposition, which involves expressing a normal matrix as the product of a hermitian and a unitary matrix.

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Participants express differing views on the feasibility of decomposing the SL(2C) matrix as initially proposed. There is no consensus on the method of decomposition or the assumptions about the parameters involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the parameters involved, particularly the nature of ##\vec{t}\cdot\vec{\sigma}##, and the implications for the decomposition process. The discussion highlights the need for careful consideration of definitions and the mathematical properties of the matrices in question.

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How can an SL(2,C) matrix be decomposed into a product of a boost along the z-axis and a pure rotation?
Hi,

suppose I am given an SL(2C) matrix of the form ##\exp(i\alpha/2 \vec{t}\cdot\vec{\sigma})## where ##\alpha## is the complex rotation angle, ##\vec{t}## the complex rotation axis and ##\vec{\sigma}## the vector of the three Pauli matrices.
I would like to decompose this vector into ##\exp(i\beta/2 \vec{q}\cdot\vec{\sigma})\exp(\gamma\sigma_z)##, where now the rotation angle ##\beta##, axis ##\vec{q}## and the boost parameter ##\gamma## are all real.
Is there a non-brain damaged way to do this? This isn't homework related.

Thank you!
 
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Just a thought, and maybe a silly one as I think in terms of algebra and less in terms of physics.
##\vec{t}\cdot\vec{\sigma}## is a complex number, hence ##\exp(i\alpha/2 \vec{t}\cdot\vec{\sigma})## is of the form ##e^{x+iy}=e^x\cdot e^{iy}##. In case ##\vec{t}\cdot\vec{\sigma}## is real, which I assume, then ##\beta =2\alpha /(\vec{t}\cdot\vec{\sigma}), \gamma =0## and ##\vec{q}## any vector such that ##\vec{q}\cdot\vec{\sigma}=1.##
 
Hi fresh, thank you. No, t sigma is not real. I now saw that my initial assumption is incorrect. You can't decompose a general Lorentz transformation into a boost along the z axis and a rotation. However, you can decompose it into a boost (along a direction which has to be determined) and a rotation. This is in principle a polar decomposition. I found some information in be book by Sexl and Urbantke.
 
I'm not sure, but couldn't one write down the series of the matrix exponential and somehow sort out the real and imaginary parts?
 
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Hi fresh, thank you. No, t sigma is not real. I now saw that my initial assumption is incorrect. You can't decompose a general Lorentz transformation into a boost along the z axis and a rotation. However, you can decompose it into a boost (along a direction which has to be determined) and a rotation. This is in principle a polar decomposition. I found some information in be book by Sexl and Urbantke.
This all sounds like the decomposition of a matrix into its toral (diagonalizable) and nilpotent (upper triangular) part. Within Lie algebras it is called Malcev decomposition or Jordan-Chevalley. I asssume the latter holds for groups, too.
 
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Of course, but this wouldn't provide much insight.
fresh_42 said:
This all sounds like the decomposition of a matrix into its toral (diagonalizable) and nilpotent (upper triangular) part. Within Lie algebras it is called Malcev decomposition or Jordan-Chevalley. I asssume the latter holds for groups, too.
Yes, it is similar. In this case it is the polar decomposition, i.e. the decomposition of a normal matrix into the product of a hermitian and a unitary one.
 
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