Can a and b be real numbers other than -1 to satisfy a+b+ab=-1?

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The discussion revolves around the equation a + b + ab = -1, specifically exploring whether real numbers a and b can satisfy this equation without either being equal to -1. Participants are tasked with finding values for a and b or proving the impossibility of such values existing.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to approach the problem of finding a and b.
  • Another participant presents a proof suggesting that the only solutions occur when at least one of the variables is -1, using the function f(x,y) = x + y + xy to analyze the equation.
  • A different participant factors the equation to show that either a or b must equal -1, concluding that the only solutions are a = b = -1.
  • Another participant proposes specific values, a = 2 and b = -1, to challenge the earlier conclusions, showing that they satisfy the equation.
  • Some participants argue that if neither a nor b can equal -1, then no solutions exist, while if one can be -1, there are infinitely many solutions.
  • One participant expresses realization and understanding after engaging with the discussion, indicating a shift in their perspective.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on whether solutions exist when both a and b are constrained to be different from -1. Some argue that no solutions exist under this condition, while others suggest that allowing one variable to be -1 leads to infinitely many solutions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various mathematical approaches and interpretations, with some participants providing proofs and others offering counterexamples. The reliance on specific assumptions about the values of a and b is critical to the arguments presented.

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Let a and b be to real numbers different from -1. Then show that the following is possible by finding values of a and b, or prove that it is impossible?

a+b+ab=-1

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I have no clue how to do this one?
 
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Here's a very ugly proof (that there are no solutions apart from those that contain -1 as one of the coordinates).

Just consider the LHS as a function of two variables and we're trying to determine points where this function is equal to -1.

f(x,y) = x+y+xy

It easy to show that f(-1,y) = -1[/tex] for all y, and similarly that f(x,-1) = -1 for all x. We want to determine if the function is equal to -1 at any points apart from along those two lines.<br /> <br /> Consider a slice of the function at x=x_0. We get:<br /> <br /> f(x_0,y) = x_0 + (x_0 + 1) y,<br /> <br /> a simple linear function of y with non zero gradient (as x_0 \neq -1)<br /> <br /> Since f=-1 when y=-1 and gradient is non-zero then f(y)[/tex] can not be equal to zero for any other value of y.
 
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Given
a + b + ab + 1 = 0​
you can factor a, to get
a(b + 1) + b + 1 = 0​
and now factoring b+1,
(a + 1)(b + 1) = 0​
Thus one of the factors at the left must be zero.
 
a + b + ab = -1
b + ab = -1 - a
b(1 + a) = -(1 + a)
b = -1

a + ab = -1 - b
a(1 + b) = -(1+b)
a = -1

So the only solutions are a = b = -1
 
JG89 said:
a + b + ab = -1
b + ab = -1 - a
b(1 + a) = -(1 + a)
b = -1

a + ab = -1 - b
a(1 + b) = -(1+b)
a = -1

So the only solutions are a = b = -1

What about a=2, b=-1, so

2+(-1)+(-1)(2)=2-1-2=-1?
 
if the requirement is that neither the numbers , a, b can equal -1, then

<br /> a + b + ab = -1 <br />

does not have any solutions, as the factorization of a + b + ab + 1 shows.

However, if either a or b can be -1, you have infinitely many solutions. (If we choose b = -1, then for any a

<br /> a + (-1) + a(-1) = -1<br />
 
statdad said:
if the requirement is that neither the numbers , a, b can equal -1, then

<br /> a + b + ab = -1 <br />

does not have any solutions, as the factorization of a + b + ab + 1 shows.

However, if either a or b can be -1, you have infinitely many solutions. (If we choose b = -1, then for any a

<br /> a + (-1) + a(-1) = -1<br />

GOT IT!

I feel dumb now!...lol...
 

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