Can a cubic polynomial be solved without arccos?

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The discussion revolves around the methods for solving cubic polynomials, particularly focusing on whether it is possible to do so without using inverse trigonometric functions such as arccos. Participants explore historical methods, modern algorithms, and the implications of using various mathematical techniques.

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  • Some participants note that Cardano's method for solving cubic polynomials traditionally involves the use of arccos or similar functions, suggesting that this reliance may limit the methods available.
  • Others argue that Cardano's original formulation did not depend on inverse trigonometric functions, indicating that there are alternative algorithms for solving cubic equations that do not require them.
  • There is a suggestion that any operation involving the cubic root of a complex number necessitates the use of inverse trigonometric functions to determine angles, followed by trigonometric functions to obtain roots.
  • Some participants mention Newton's method as a numerical approach that can solve cubic equations, but express that it is not a direct analytical solution like those involving arccos.
  • Concerns are raised about the imperfections of series representations used in conjunction with inverse trigonometric functions, which some participants find unsatisfactory.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of using inverse trigonometric functions in solving cubic polynomials. While some assert that such functions are essential, others maintain that alternative methods exist that do not rely on them. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these differing approaches.

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Participants highlight the historical context of Cardano's method and its evolution over time, noting that later refinements introduced inverse trigonometric functions. There is also mention of the limitations of numerical methods like Newton's method compared to analytical solutions.

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I was reviewing the Cardano's method formula for a real cubic polynomial having 3 real roots. It seems that to do so, the arccos (or another arc*) of a term involving the p & q parameters of the reduced cubes must be done, and then followed by cos & sin of 1/3 of the result from that arccos - and AFAIK, the only way to do this is to use the series representation of both, which seems to me to be an imperfect method. Even using the complex formula for a fractional angle results in having to get deMoivre roots, which can only be done by going through the same arc* process.

I wonder if this is so for the same reason that it is impossible to trisect an angle.
 
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swampwiz said:
I was reviewing the Cardano's method formula for a real cubic polynomial having 3 real roots. It seems that to do so, the arccos (or another arc*) of a term involving the p & q parameters of the reduced cubes must be done, and then followed by cos & sin of 1/3 of the result from that arccos - and AFAIK, the only way to do this is to use the series representation of both, which seems to me to be an imperfect method. Even using the complex formula for a fractional angle results in having to get deMoivre roots, which can only be done by going through the same arc* process.
There are algorithms for solving a cubic equation using root extraction alone. Cardano's method as formulated in the 16th century did not rely on inverse trig functions. This was a later refinement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubic_function

I wonder if this is so for the same reason that it is impossible to trisect an angle.
This is the reason that an arbitrary angle cannot be trisected using a straightedge and compass alone. Certain angles, like a right angle, for instance, can be trisected using those tools.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angle_trisection
 
SteamKing said:
There are algorithms for solving a cubic equation using root extraction alone. Cardano's method as formulated in the 16th century did not rely on inverse trig functions. This was a later refinement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubic_function

I think that any operation that requires the cubic root of a complex number ends up having to do an inverse trig function to get the angle, followed by a trig function of the trisected angle to get the deMoivre root.
 
swampwiz said:
I think that any operation that requires the cubic root of a complex number ends up having to do an inverse trig function to get the angle, followed by a trig function of the trisected angle to get the deMoivre root.

Newtons method will work for complex equations as well. You'll need an initial guesss that is close enough to the root, but you can just use some conditions on (y/x) to makes this guess, instead of computing atn(y/x) to find the argument of the root.
 
Well, Newton's method is also not direct, just like doing the arccos. I suppose that since cos & arccos are valid functions, it is still considered to be an analytical solution. Newton's method is not even analytical (i,e., it is numerical, which in theory could solve any polynomial.)
 

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