Can a Direct Proof Show That 1-A is its Own Inverse?

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The discussion centers around the question of whether a direct proof can demonstrate that \(1 - A\) is its own inverse, particularly in the context of linear algebra and projection operators. Participants explore the validity of using certain assumptions and manipulations in their proofs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a proof by starting with the assumption \(A^2 = A\) and manipulating the expression \((I - A)\) to show that \((I - A)^2 = I\).
  • Another participant challenges this approach, stating that the manipulation leading to \(I = I\) is flawed and that the assumptions made are not generally true, only holding for specific cases like \(A = 0\).
  • A different viewpoint suggests that if every step in a proof is correct and reversible, one could work backwards from a true statement to reach the desired conclusion.
  • Another participant suggests directly proving the statement by squaring \(1 - A\) and checking if it equals \(1\), noting that this leads to the conclusion that \(1 - A\) is another projection operator rather than proving it is its own inverse.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of the initial proof and the assumptions made. There is no consensus on whether the proposed methods successfully demonstrate that \(1 - A\) is its own inverse.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the assumptions used, particularly regarding the generality of the statements made about \(A\) and the operations performed. The discussion remains focused on the validity of the proof techniques rather than establishing a definitive conclusion.

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So my teacher said that when proving something, I can't start out with what I'm trying to prove. But what if it is an "if this than that proof"

For example,

If A(squared)=A, then I-A=(I-A)inverse

Well, I started using what I'm trying to prove by multiplying both sides by I-A

I get (I-A)squared=I
implies I-4A+4AA=I
implies I-4A+4A=I b/c A(squared)=A using the hypothesis
implies I+0=I
implies I=I both sides equal

The thing is that I have proven that if AA=A, then I-A=(I-A)inverse by using the hypothesis somewhere in the solution. Would this be a logical conclusion?
 
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No, everything that you have just written is complete nonsense. First of all, (I-A)^2 = I - 2A + A^2, so your proof that I=I is flawed anyway.

What you have tried to do is to take some statement and to use it to derive a true statement. However, I can easily derive a true statement from a false one. For instance, you have assumed that (I-A)^2 = I-4A+4A^2 and that A^2 = A. These two statements are not in general true (This is in fact only true if A = 0). Then you have used these statements to derive that I=I, which is true, but meaningless.
 
if every step in your proof is correct and reversable, then after geting to a true stTEMENT, just reverse field and reason bCKWrds to the desired statement.
 
here i would try proving the statement directly, i.e. ask whether indeed 1-A is its own inverse by squaring it and seeing if you get 1. along the way you get to replace A^2 by A.

i.e. (1-A)^2 = 1-2A + A^2 = 1-2A+A = 1-A. this does not seem to prove what you asked for.

this seems to prove that if you start from a projection operator and subtract it from 1, you get another projection operator.
 

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