Can a Magnetohydrodynamic Drive Work Without a Tube?

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of a magnetohydrodynamic (MHD) drive operating without a traditional tube structure, exploring alternative designs that might utilize a ship's hull instead. Participants examine theoretical implications and practical challenges associated with such designs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of a tube in MHD designs, suggesting that a ship's hull could potentially pull the vessel through water instead of pushing water through a tube.
  • Another participant highlights the challenge of generating a strong magnetic field without a tube, noting that an external magnetic field could disrupt navigation and would necessitate external electrodes on the hull.
  • A different viewpoint proposes using a ridged hull design, where magnets could be placed in the ridges, allowing for interaction between opposing magnetic poles. However, this would still imply the need for external electrodes, effectively creating a tube-like structure.
  • Concerns are raised about the material of the hull; if it were made of magnetic material like iron, the magnetic field would follow the hull surface rather than interact with the water, while a conductive material like aluminum could lead to short-circuiting and corrosion issues.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and practicality of a tube in MHD drives, with no consensus reached on whether a hull-based design could function effectively.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations regarding the assumptions about hull materials and the implications for magnetic field behavior, as well as the unresolved nature of the proposed designs.

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Now the designs I've seen involve water flowing through a tube but is a tube really necessary? Can the design simply be turned inside out so that rather than pushing water through a tube a regular ships hull could just pull the vessel through the water?
 
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The problem is making a strong magnetic field. The tube passes through the poles of a magnet with an enclosed short magnetic path.
An external magnetic field would upset the compass and radiate energy. It would also require electrodes on the outside of the vessel hull.
 
Mmm.. I see. What if the hull is ridged like a piece of corrugated metal? The magnets could be placed in the ridges. Then instead of passing thru one magnet between the poles it could pass between the opposing poles of two different magnets. Of course in total the hull would have many such opposing magnets.
 
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What if the hull is ridged like a piece of corrugated metal? The magnets could be placed in the ridges.
Which would require an electrode outside the hull, making the corrugation a tube.

If the hull was magnetic material like iron, the magnetic field would follow the hull surface, not pass through the water. A conductive metal hull like aluminium would short circuit the electrodes and corrode.

See here for internal or external flow.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetohydrodynamic_drive#Typology
 

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