Can a Self-Feeding Steam Turbine Recycle Its Own Water?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the design of a self-feeding steam turbine that recycles its own water, aiming to minimize the need for refilling a boiler tank. Participants explore various mechanisms for water heating, pressure management, and steam generation, considering both theoretical and practical aspects of the design.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a design where steam is generated by heating water in coiled copper tubing, with concerns about managing pressure and preventing backflow into the supply tank.
  • Another participant suggests using a water valve that opens and closes to control the flow of water into the heated tubing, raising questions about the thermal shock to the tubing from cooler water.
  • A check valve mechanism is proposed as a potential solution to manage pressure and flow, with the idea that it would close when steam pressure builds up.
  • There is a mention of a condenser to facilitate recycling of water, which would be open to atmospheric pressure.
  • One participant references the "Principles of Naval Engineering" as a potential resource for further information on the topic.
  • Another participant discusses the importance of maintaining feed pump discharge pressure above steam drum operating pressure for effective operation.
  • A suggestion is made that a reciprocating engine might be more suitable for applications focused on torque rather than RPM.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various ideas and concerns regarding the design, but there is no consensus on the best approach or solution. Multiple competing views on mechanisms and operational principles remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations related to pressure management, thermal effects on materials, and the efficiency of different pumping mechanisms. Specific assumptions about system behavior and operational conditions are not fully detailed.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in steam turbine design, thermodynamics, and engineering principles related to fluid dynamics and pressure management may find this discussion relevant.

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I'm trying to design or find a design for a steam turbine that recycles it's water, or at least a large percentage of it, to prevent refilling of a boiler tank.

My thoughts;

The turbine will be powered by steam heated through copper tubing which is fed from a large unheated, (or partially heated) water tank. The water, upon entering the coiling tubing, will be heated from an external fire of whatever fuel I desire. My problem is trying to decide how to separate the pressure build up in the coiled tubing from the supply tank to prevent the pressure from going back into the tank. Or if my tank was large enough, would it simply push it out the top of my tubing directed at my turbine instead of going back into my supply tank? I think this would result in power loss.

The turbine does not have to run full power constantly. It could run on bursts. Oh, just thought of a solution...maybe.

If there was a water valve that opened and closed to feed the coiled tubing, upon entering the extremely hot tubing, the water would vaporize immediately and be forced out of the end of my tube pointed to my steam turbine. But would that cause the tubing to burst from cooler water hitting it? This also presents a problem of needing something to turn my valve off and on.

Or
A check valve that is pushed open by the weight of the water and fills the hot tubing, and when the hot tubing builds pressure, the check valve will be forced closed thus forcing the steam out of the end of my tube aimed at my steam turbine.

A further note, I'm more interested in torque than rpm, if anyone has any links or information for me to further my project, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for taking the time to read my post.

Mr. Diedel

P.S. Of course the recycling part would be easily enough done with a condenser over the main holding tank, as it would be open to atmospheric pressure at the top.
 
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If I remember correctly, the Principles of Naval Engineering would be a great resource for you. You can find it here: http://www.hnsa.org/doc/pdf/engineering.pdf
 
Feed pump discharge pressure equals steam drum operating pressure at shut-off head. Feed pump discharge pressure must be higher than steam drum operating pressure to raise steam drum level. The feed regulator valve is on the discharge of the centrifugal pump that operates well at shut-off head with packing cooled by leakoff. A steam powered feed pump may have a throttle for efficiency. The steam drum and tubes are at saturation pressure and temperature. A steam turbine powered pump cannot function with wet steam water droplets. Some condensate depression, temperature lower than saturation, is necessary.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/12/Feedwater-heating.png/354px-Feedwater-heating.png
 
If you are interested in torque rather than RPM maybe a recip engine is the way to go.
 

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