Can a Modified Helicopter Double as an Airboat?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a modified helicopter designed to function as both an aircraft and a watercraft, referred to as a "Watercopter." Participants explore the feasibility, design challenges, and potential instability of such a hybrid vehicle.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a modified helicopter with a raft instead of wheels and a tilting screw axis to enable both flying and traveling on water.
  • Another participant suggests researching existing airboat designs for comparison.
  • A participant raises concerns about the inherent instability of the design, particularly regarding the pitching moment caused by thrust not being aligned with drag when in contact with water.
  • Some participants discuss the potential for instability in the hybrid design, with one acknowledging the pitching moment issue.
  • Another participant mentions the Russian Ekranoplan as a related concept worth investigating for near-surface travel.
  • A later reply suggests that if the design shows no significant flaws, it may be time to consider moving to scale model design.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the stability and feasibility of the Watercopter design, with some acknowledging potential issues while others argue that certain factors, like friction, may mitigate these concerns. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall viability of the concept.

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Participants reference various design principles and existing vehicles, but there are limitations in the provided sketches and descriptions, which may affect the clarity of the proposed ideas.

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Hello everybody!

Let me share one of my ideas with you!

This is a modified helicopter. It has raft instead of wheels. Its screw axis can tilt. So may be this machine can both fly and travel on the water surface.

Please comment.
 

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Suggest you search the term "airboat".
 
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Upper screw vanes can rotate 180 deg. in order to force air to go other side.
Watercopter is a name I invented for this transformer.

Please vote!
 
Couldn't give a qualitative comment based on the drawing/description provided. However, you may wish to research the development of the modern helicopter design. I kind of remember something about a grave, inherent instability issue until the rotors were allowed to pivot in relation to the shaft.
One added point: if you were to use this kind of like a helicopter but in contact with water, the source of thrust will not be on the same plane as the drag (if I understand your drawing correctly). The result would be an induced pitching moment that would push the nose downward. Imagine someone on a skateboard with a fan on their back. All but small amounts of thrust would most likely result in a 'faceplant'.
For surface craft, the aforementioned airboat is good because it will glide over most surface level obstacles.
For aircraft, remember "That which goes up, will come down at 9.9m/sec^2, or faster." You may think about leaving such designs up to the 'Big Guys'. Getting hurt is no fun (ask me how I know...), hurting someone else is far worse.
 
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Many thanks for your comments, Burnerjack. I think I understood pitching moment problem. This hybrid might be very unstable.
 
You're very welcome. BTW, while not new nor a helicopter, for near surface travel you may want to investigate the Russian Ekranoplan. This is a ground effect vehicle that has been scaled down to something like 4m wingspan with small gas engine. While not new, you may find it educational and exciting. Good luck and stay safe.
 
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Welcome to the PF, Overlimit.

We do not generally allow polls in the technical forums, so I've closed your poll. Keep on thinking up creative ideas! :smile:
 
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Looks like an airboat to me. I guess all I can add is "if the drawing board shows no significant flaws, time to move to the scale model design phase." Good luck. Remember, if knowledge is gained, there are no 'failed' experiments.
 
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