Can a Non-Self-Adjoint Element Have a Real Spectrum?

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The discussion centers on the possibility of a non-self-adjoint element in a C*-algebra having a real spectrum. Participants explore whether it is feasible for an element \( x \) to have a real spectrum while still satisfying \( x^* \neq x \), examining examples and references related to this concept.

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  • One participant asserts that if \( x \) is self-adjoint in a C*-algebra, then its spectrum is real, but questions whether the converse holds.
  • Another participant provides an example of a 2x2 matrix \( x = \begin{pmatrix}a & 1 \\ 0 & b\end{pmatrix} \) with real entries \( a \) and \( b \), claiming that its spectrum is real while \( x \) is not self-adjoint.
  • A participant mentions the general difficulty in making claims about the eigenvalues of a real (unsymmetric) matrix and suggests that analyzing products of matrices may yield insights into eigenvalues.
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Participants do not reach a consensus on the broader implications of the examples provided, and the discussion includes both agreement on the existence of non-self-adjoint elements with real spectra and uncertainty regarding the generality of such cases.

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Some participants reference external articles and discussions that may provide additional context or examples, but access to these resources is limited. The discussion also touches on the nuances of matrix properties and their implications for eigenvalues, which remain unresolved.

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Let [tex]X[/tex] be a [tex]C^*[/tex]-algebra. I know that if [tex]x\in X[/tex] is self-adjoint, then its spectrum is real, [tex]\sigma(x)\subset\mathbb{R}[/tex]. I haven't seen a claim about the converse, but it seems difficult to come up with a counter example for it. My question is, that is it possible, that some [tex]x\in X[/tex] has a real spectrum, but still [tex]x^*\neq x[/tex]?
 
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jostpuur said:
My question is, that is it possible, that some [tex]x\in X[/tex] has a real spectrum, but still [tex]x^*\neq x[/tex]?
Yes it is. Take for instance the 2x2 matrix (so [itex]X=M_2(\mathbb{C})[/itex])

[tex]x = \begin{pmatrix}a & 1 \\ 0 & b\end{pmatrix},[/tex]

where a and b are any real numbers. The spectrum of x is {a,b} but x is not selfadjoint.
 
I see.

(hmhmhmh... I didn't receive mail notification of your response...)
 
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I am facing the same problem (see https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=257751)

On the internet I found a reference, however I don't have acces to it:
http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=AD0736116"

In general you can not say anything about the eigenvalues of a real (unsymmetric) matrix. However, if you can write your matrix as a product of matrices then analyzing them you may say something about the eigenvalues of the big matrix.

I put here two articles, maybe you will find them usefull.
 

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HallsofIvy said:
You will only get e-mail notification if you "subscribe" to a thread. To do that, clilck on "Thread Tools" at the top of the thread, then click on "Subscribe to this Thread".

But isn't the subscribing automatic, so that one has to unsubscribe a thread if one doesn't want notifications. I didn't do anything with thread tools, and I got the notification of your post now.

There is a non-zero probability for the possibility, that I casually destroyed the first notification without later remembering it. I cannot know it for sure, of course... I was merely mentioning the remark anyway.
 
When you initially join this forum you are offered the option of automatic "subscription" or not. I chose not because I don't want an e-mail everytime someone responds to one of the threads I responded to. I can't delete all those e-mails AND respond to questions!
 

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