Can a photon be trapped and studied without observation?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of isolating and studying a photon without direct observation. Participants explore theoretical and experimental aspects of trapping photons, their behavior, and the implications of their particle and wave nature.

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  • Some participants propose that while photons cannot be at rest due to the invariance of the speed of light, they can be trapped in a reflective environment, bouncing around but never truly stationary.
  • Others suggest that absorbing light can retain its information, allowing for a form of "trapping," but this changes the light into an excited state of an atom, thus not fulfilling the original question of isolating a photon.
  • A participant mentions that the concept of "stopping" light involves it being absorbed most of the time, leading to a reduced effective velocity, which complicates the notion of trapping photons.
  • Another participant questions the dimensions of photons, suggesting that if photons have dimensions, confining them in a suitably sized box might allow them to be considered at rest, despite possessing energy.
  • There is a conjecture that trapping a photon might emphasize its wave nature, leading to a standing wave scenario, which could obscure its particle characteristics.

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Participants express varying viewpoints on the nature of photons and the feasibility of trapping them, with no consensus reached on whether a photon can be effectively isolated or studied without observation.

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Participants reference concepts from quantum mechanics and electromagnetism, indicating that the discussion may depend on specific definitions and interpretations of light's behavior.

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I was just thinking whether it'd be possible to isolate a photon, I mean, trap it somehow so that it remains at rest, and study it(without actually "seeing" it)?
 
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No. The speed of light is the same in all frames of reference, and therefore there is no frame in which a photon is at rest.

You can trap a photon, e.g., in a box with mirrors on the inside, but the photon isn't at rest, it's bouncing around inside the box.

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jobsism said:
I was just thinking whether it'd be possible to isolate a photon, I mean, trap it somehow so that it remains at rest, and study it(without actually "seeing" it)?

You can absorb light in such a way as to retain the information it carries, and release it (start it and stop it) at will . Which is as close as I think you'll get to what you describe.

See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/1124540.stm, or some of the 'nature' articles if you can get a hold of them.

However, when the light is trapped, its no longer light, it's an excited quantum state of an atom. So if one takes your question literally, the answer is no. The above experiments are close enough to what you asked that I thought I'd mention them, however.

The same trick is used when you see popular articles about "stopping" light, which you'll probably run into if you track down the above and do more reading. The "stopped" light is spending a very large percentage of its time absorbed. And when it's absorbed, it's not moving - or rather, it moves along with whatever has absorbed it. So it's effective velocity averaged over time, is reduced, equal to the untrapped velocity multiplied by the percentage of time it spends untrapped. By the magnitude of the reported average velocities, one can tell that the light is spending almost all of its time trapped, and hardly any free, it's being strongly absorbed.

The details of this effect are covered by quantum mechanics, or on the classical level by the interaction of electromagnetism with a media, so it's not really relevant to General Relativity, however.
 
Thanks a lot, guys! :D And thanks for the info on the rainbow-trapping effect(I'm surprised I didn't know earlier).

Just one more thought. I haven't learned GR yet, so forgive me if I sound stupid.

If I consider the particle nature of light, then photons ought to have some dimensions, right? So, what if I keep it in a box whose dimensions are just enough to house the photon? Won't it effectively be at rest, even though it possesses energy?
 
jobsism said:
Thanks a lot, guys! :D And thanks for the info on the rainbow-trapping effect(I'm surprised I didn't know earlier).

Just one more thought. I haven't learned GR yet, so forgive me if I sound stupid.

If I consider the particle nature of light, then photons ought to have some dimensions, right? So, what if I keep it in a box whose dimensions are just enough to house the photon? Won't it effectively be at rest, even though it possesses energy?

I would conjecture you are trapping the photon in measurement system that emphasizes its wave-nature. You have a standing wave, and its 'particle-ness' is less apparent.
 
jobsism said:
If I consider the particle nature of light, then photons ought to have some dimensions, right? So, what if I keep it in a box whose dimensions are just enough to house the photon? Won't it effectively be at rest, even though it possesses energy?

It's a standing wave. A standing wave can be considered as a superposition of traveling waves. In one dimension, it's a 50/50 superposition of momenta +p and -p.
 

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