Can a pool ball come off a cushion faster than it hits it?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether a pool ball can rebound off a cushion faster than its initial speed upon impact. Participants explore this concept through theoretical and practical lenses, considering factors such as spin and energy transfer.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a pool ball can rebound faster than it hits the cushion if sufficient spin is applied, particularly through techniques like a screw shot.
  • Questions arise regarding the source of the extra energy that allows for this rebound speed, with some attributing it to the kinetic energy associated with the ball's spin.
  • There is a discussion on whether this phenomenon is purely theoretical or if it can occur in practice, with some suggesting that generating enough sidespin or backspin could enable this effect.
  • One participant introduces the idea that backspin can convert into linear motion, allowing the ball to stop and then move backward without external impact.
  • Another participant draws parallels to other examples of kinetic energy, such as the rolling of different shapes down an incline, to illustrate how spin can affect the ball's behavior upon collision.
  • It is noted that when a ball with backspin hits a cushion, its forward momentum can be converted into backward momentum, potentially resulting in a faster rebound speed, although some energy is lost to friction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practical occurrence of the phenomenon, with some asserting it is possible under certain conditions while others question its feasibility. No consensus is reached regarding the practical implications of the discussed theories.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the conditions under which the ball is struck and the nature of the cushion, as well as the effects of friction and energy loss, which remain unresolved.

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Physics question help required. Can a pool ball come off a cushion faster than it hits it? - something in my distant memory tells me this breaks one of Newtons laws or something like that.
 
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adr147 said:
Physics question help required. Can a pool ball come off a cushion faster than it hits it? - something in my distant memory tells me this breaks one of Newtons laws or something like that.

Yes, if there is sufficient spin involved. Imagine you play a screw shot so that the ball almost stops before it hits the cushion. It will rebound off the cushion faster than it was moving when it hit the cushion.

There are other possibilites: if someone shakes the table slightly(!) Things like that.
 
Where does the extra energy come from?
 
adr147 said:
Where does the extra energy come from?

The kinetic energy associated with the spin.
 
I see, now is that a theoretical possibility or does it actual happen in practice?
 
adr147 said:
I see, now is that a theoretical possibility or does it actual happen in practice?

If you can generate enough sidespin or backspin, you should be able to make it happen.
 
With enough backspin can't you make the ball move forward, stop, then move backward without hitting anything? That should make it clearer how backspin can be converted to linear motion.
 
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There are other KE of rotation + KE of translation examples to elucidate the above explanations to your question. Consider the rolling down an incline of a sphere vs hoop vs solid disc. Thinking of that example helps me understand how a billiard ball's spin prior to collision with the cushioned wall could be related to a faster rebound translational speed than the translational speed prior to the collision.

Thanks for the interesting question and discussion.
 
If you hit a ball with backspin, directly at a cushion, when it hits the side, its forward momentum is converted into backward momentum (with a little lost to friction since the cushion is not "perfectly elastic") but the backspin can also be converted into linear backward momentum so that the ball comes off the side faster than it hit it.
 

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