Can a Rotary Engine Efficiently Charge Batteries in Hybrid Vehicles?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of using a rotary engine as a battery charger for hybrid vehicles. Participants explore the design and functionality of such an engine, referencing historical engines and discussing the implications of new ideas versus established engineering principles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant shares a personal anecdote about inventing a rotary engine concept for charging batteries in hybrid vehicles, emphasizing its unique features like variable compression ratio.
  • Another participant compares the proposed design to a 2-cylinder 2-stroke engine, suggesting the need for valves to regulate flow.
  • A different participant mentions the Napier Deltic engine, noting its historical significance and complexity compared to the simpler design proposed.
  • Some participants express concern that the forum's focus should be on established science and engineering, indicating that discussions of new inventions may not align with the forum's mission.
  • There is a reiteration of the need to understand existing technologies, such as current rotary engines, before exploring new ideas.

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Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of discussing new inventions within the forum. While some are interested in the proposed rotary engine concept, others argue that the focus should remain on established engineering principles and mainstream science.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions reference historical engines and their relevance, while others highlight the potential limitations of the proposed design, such as the need for additional components like valves. The conversation reflects a mix of personal experience and technical critique.

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Hi,
Have you ever tried to invent anything?
Long ago, as a school boy after learning about internal combusion engines, I 'invented' a rotary engine. (It had actually been invented in the 19th century) My dad said "If Fords can't do then you can't" So I stopped. Years later I learned about the Wankel engine, which was similar to what I had thought, and carried on trying. I didn't mention it to my dad again.

I went through lots of iterations, and tried to get any interest, but gave up some time ago, and put it out of my mind.
The last iteration, was for an IC engine battery charger for hybrid vehicles, which didn't drive the wheels, had no flywheel and could infinitely change the compression ratio.

Here is the idea (animation), which I stress is not in anyway a drawing, but just to illustrate how it would work. I hope you find it interesting.

KEY: Light blue incoming gas--dark blue compressed gas--red combustion--brown exhaust.
Cheers, Camerart.
 
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That is basically a 2-cylinder 2-stroke engine with the crankcase replaced by your "head pistons".

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You may need some valves, either on the intake or exhaust side of your "main pistons" to regulate the flow (similar to a supercharged 2-stroke as presented below).

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camerart said:
I hope you find it interesting.
I think you would find the Napier Deltic interesting.


It's kind of obsolete, but still: historical.
 
camerart said:
Have you ever tried to invent anything?
I think you misunderstand the mission of PF. We are here to discuss mainstream science and engineering as defined by textbooks and peer reviewed papers. We attempt to help members to understand. This is not the place to discuss new ideas or new inventions.

Member @phinds said it best.
phinds said:
Thinking outside the box only works well when you first understand what's IN the box.

Think of PF is the place to come to learn what is IN the box. Thinks like existing rotary engines.
 
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jack action said:
That is basically a 2-cylinder 2-stroke engine with the crankcase replaced by your "head pistons".


You may need some valves, either on the intake or exhaust side of your "main pistons" to regulate the flow (similar to a supercharged 2-stroke as presented below).

If you look a little closer you will see that this design has variable compression ratio, also there are valves on the intakes.
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Rive said:
I think you would find the Napier Deltic interesting.


It's kind of obsolete, but still: historical.

Hi R,
I studied all kinds of engine, including the Deltic, which I remember being tested on the railway near me.
It has crankshafts plus lots of moving parts, where mine doesn't, which would make it obsolete.
C
 
anorlunda said:
I think you misunderstand the mission of PF. We are here to discuss mainstream science and engineering as defined by textbooks and peer reviewed papers. We attempt to help members to understand. This is not the place to discuss new ideas or new inventions.

Member @phinds said it best.Think of PF is the place to come to learn what is IN the box. Thinks like existing rotary engines.
Hi A,
This isn't a new invention, it's from my past, that I thought may be interesting, I hope I didn't offend you.
C
 

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