Can a Sequence of 1's and 0's Be a Multiple of Any Integer?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the question of whether a sequence of 1's and 0's can represent a positive integer that is a multiple of any integer n greater than 1. Participants explore various conditions and special cases, including divisibility by specific integers and the construction of such sequences.

Discussion Character

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that for any n>1, a positive integer consisting solely of 1's and 0's can be constructed to be a multiple of n.
  • Others suggest a variation where if n is not divisible by 2 or 5, a multiple can be chosen to have precisely two 1's and the rest 0's.
  • A participant questions how to demonstrate this for specific values of n, such as 3 or 9, and wonders about the implications of a 'minimal' condition.
  • One participant provides a hint involving the existence of two integers whose difference is divisible by n, suggesting a combinatorial approach.
  • Another participant discusses a formula involving the Euler Totient function and sums of powers of 10 to show divisibility by n.
  • Some participants mention special cases where 10 and n are coprime, leading to the conclusion that 10 raised to a certain power minus 1 is divisible by n.
  • There is a suggestion that any number not divisible by 2 or 5 has a multiple that consists entirely of 1's.
  • One participant introduces the concept of periodic sequences of powers of 10 modulo n, indicating that these can be used to find suitable multiples.
  • Another participant expresses curiosity about finding the minimum such multiple or the average minimum multiple.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the problem, with some agreeing on the existence of multiples under certain conditions while others propose variations or challenge assumptions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding specific constructions and the implications of different conditions.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments depend on the definitions of coprimality and periodicity, and there are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the construction of sequences and their properties.

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Show that for any n>1 we can construct a positive integer consisting of only 1's and 0's such that this integer is a multiple of n.
 
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Interesting variation: show that if n is no divisbible by 2 or 5, then there you can choose this multiple to have precisely two 1s and the rest of the digits 0.
 
matt grime said:
Interesting variation: show that if n is no divisbible by 2 or 5, then there you can choose this multiple to have precisely two 1s and the rest of the digits 0.

Can you show example answers for, say, n=3 or n=9?

I do wonder how interesting a 'minimal' condition would make this though.
 
A Big Hint

Given (n+1) integers show that there exists two whose difference is a divisible by n.
 
The problem is fairily easy...

k=\sum_{i=1}^{n} 10^{i\phi(n)}
where \phi(n) is the Euler Totient function.

Is divisible by n.

Alternatively, if we take n^2-n+1 integers then at least n of them must have the same residue mod n, so their sum is equal to zero mod n, so if we take the first n^2-n+1 powers of 10, some sum will be equal to zero mod n, and that sum will clearly be zeros and ones.
 
My special case was: if 10 and n are coprime, let r be the order of 10 in the units mod n, then 10^r-1 is divisble by n.
 
matt grime said:
My special case was: if 10 and n are coprime, let r be the order of 10 in the units mod n, then 10^r-1 is divisble by n.

But that's all 9's. Of course, this leads to a marginally more challenging version:

Show that every number has a (non-trivial) multiple which is some number of ones, followed by some number of zeros.
 
Duh. Some times I even surprise myself with my idiocy - we need -1 =some power of n. So if n=p is prime, then we need that 10 has even order mod p - for then 1 has two square roots, 1 and -1
 
My version is the easiest if you used my hint.

Theorem: If there are (n+1) distinct integers then there exists two who difference is divisible by n.

Proof: Each of these integers leaves a remainder between 0 and n-1 inclusive upon division by n. Since there are n possible remainders and (n+1) integers that means there exist two which have the same remainder by the PigeonHole Principle. So their difference is divisible by n.

Theorem: Given any positive integer n we can find a positive number consisting of only 1's and 0's which is divisible by n.

Proof: Construct the sequence of (n+1) integers:
1,11,111,...,111...1
By the first theorem two of these when subtracted are divisible by n. But when we subtract them we end up with a number consisting of only 1's and 0's. In fact, the 1's and 0's are groupped together which answers the more difficult question stated by NateTG
 
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Kummer: How about showing that any number not divisible by 2 or 5 has a multiple that is all 1s?
 
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Kummer, I think you're under the mistake apprehension that we found your question hard...
 
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matt grime said:
Kummer, I think you're under the mistake apprehension that we found your question hard...

The question is not hard. It is fun and I wanted to show it to you.
 
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Here's another (but very similar) way of showing it:

consider the sequence 10^m mod n. This is periodic, by the pigeon hole principle. There for there are s,r integers with 10^s=10^{s+kr} mod n for k natural numbers k. Just add up any n different such powers of 10.
 
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Hmm, I wonder if there's some way to find the minimum such multiple, or the average minimum multiple.
 
  • #15
I should have been more pedantic: the sequence is eventually periodic. It need not be periodic. The idea being that at some point you must have a repeated residue, and then it becomes periodic - if 10 were invertible, then you could guarantee to run it backwards too. Eg. say n=100, the sequence goes 10,0,0,0,0,0,...
 

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