Can an Alternating Series Converge Absolutely?

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The discussion revolves around the convergence properties of alternating series, specifically whether a series of the form \(\sum x_n y_n\) can converge when \(\sum x_n\) is conditionally convergent. Participants explore counterexamples and strategies for demonstrating the failure of absolute convergence under certain conditions.

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  • One participant suggests that if \(\sum x_n\) converges absolutely and \((y_n)\) is bounded, then \(\sum x_n y_n\) converges, and seeks a counterexample for the case when \(\sum x_n\) is conditionally convergent.
  • Another participant proposes using a specific alternating series that converges conditionally, while manipulating \(y_n\) values to maximize the product \(\sum x_n y_n\), potentially leading to divergence.
  • A later reply questions the method of choosing \(y_n\) values, asking whether to use the limit supremum or limit infimum of \(x_n\).
  • One participant asserts that since \(\sum x_n\) converges, the boundedness of \(|y_n|\) implies that \(\sum x_n y_n\) converges, providing a specific counterexample with \(x_n = \frac{(-1)^n}{n}\) and \(y_n = (-1)^n\).
  • Another participant suggests considering a well-known divergent series and finding a similar alternating series that converges conditionally, while questioning how to manipulate \(y_n\) to demonstrate divergence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which \(\sum x_n y_n\) converges, with some proposing counterexamples while others challenge the assumptions or methods used. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the effectiveness of the proposed counterexamples.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific properties of series convergence, including absolute and conditional convergence, but do not reach a consensus on the validity of the counterexamples or the methods proposed.

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If \sum x_n converges absolutely, and the sequence (yn) is bounded, then the sum \sum x_n y_n converges.

Find a counterexample that shows this isn't true when \sum x_n is conditionally convergent.

I'm honestly not to sure where to begin with this one. I was thinking Monotone Convergence Theorem, but that might not be necessarily true for xn Any suggestions would be fantastic!
 
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Here's one way. Take some concrete example of alternating series x_n, that converges, but not absolutely. Then start choosing values for y_n one by one, so that |y_n| < 1, and trying to make the value of the series x_n*y_n as large as possible. You should be able to get infinity out of it.
 
jostpuur said:
Here's one way. Take some concrete example of alternating series x_n, that converges, but not absolutely. Then start choosing values for y_n one by one, so that |y_n| < 1, and trying to make the value of the series x_n*y_n as large as possible. You should be able to get infinity out of it.

I'm not entirely sure I follow you...
Are you suggesting I choose lim(sup{xn}) or lim(inf{xn}, which are both monotone decreasing and increasing respectively?
 
Wow, ok nevermind:

We know \sum x_n converges.
|yn| <= M, For any n contained in the naturals - Def of bounded.

Then,
\sum x_n y_n = \sum \left|x_n\right| \left|y_n\right| \leq M\sum \left|x_n\right|

Therefore, the sum converges!

A counter example would be to let xn = \frac{(-1)^n}{n} and yn = (-1)^n
 
There is a really easy way to do this problem. What is one series you know that diverges, the one I am thinking of is probably one of the first examples you received as a divergent series when you first learned about series. Now is there a series that looks very similar to this one that converges, but not absolutely (perhaps an alternating series...). Then how can you turn this alternating series into the one which does not converge by choosing appropriate, and bounded yn?

Edit: Nevermind you figured it out.
 

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