Can an electron transition between metastable states in a laser?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of an electron transitioning between metastable states in a laser context. Participants explore the implications of such transitions, particularly focusing on the nature of these transitions—whether they are radiative or non-radiative—and the conceptual challenges that arise from different reference frames associated with metastable states.

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  • One participant questions whether an electron can transition between metastable states, suggesting that this leads to a paradox regarding the nature of the transition depending on the reference frame.
  • Another participant clarifies that metastable states are characterized by long decay times and argues that the concept of "reference frames of metastable states" is not meaningful in this context.
  • A different viewpoint introduces the idea that transitions between certain metastable states are typically non-radiative, while transitions between metastable and stable states are radiative, with energy being released as light.
  • One participant expresses confusion about how an electron determines its transition path between states, questioning the distinction between different metastable states given their similar lifetimes.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the transitions are governed by quantum dynamics and thermal diffusion, indicating that the electron does not consciously choose its transition path but is influenced by physical processes.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of transitions between metastable states, with some arguing for the significance of reference frames and others challenging that notion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these transitions and the understanding of the processes involved.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the nature of metastable states and the lack of clarity on the definitions of radiative and non-radiative transitions. The participants do not fully resolve the mathematical or conceptual steps involved in understanding these transitions.

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I wonder whether an electron can make a transition from one metastable state to an another metastable state, if so it leads to a paradox(atleast according to me) viz for the refrence frame of the metastable state A from which electron makes the transition, it will be a radiative transition and for the refrence frame of the metastable state B to which the electron makes the transition, it will be a non-radiative transition!
It does not make sense.
Forgive me for being naive, i have no formal degree in Physics, but i like it a lot!
 
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Ehm...I do not get your point.

A metastable state is one that is not perfectly stable, but has a very long decay time (microseconds or even milliseconds). That is all there is. Proposing "reference frames of metastable states" does not make much sense. The transition may be radiative or not - for lasers it typically is, but that does not depend at all on whether the final state of the transition is metastable or not.
 
I do not get your point, either. Here's my suggestion.

Metastable state is in company with a certain state. In general, there is a small gap between their energy levels (Metastable level belows certain one).

Given 2 certain states, A and B, and suppose their have some metastable states company with, such as (metastable states) A1 and A2 for A state, B1 and B2 for B state.

The transitions between A to A1(A2) or A1 to A2, or B to B1(B2), or B1 to B2, are usually non-radiative. The energy leaks through the thermal diffusion.

But the transitions between A1 to B or A1 to B1(B2) are radiative, it radiates a light with certain energy of (A1-B)
 
As u have said that A1 to B1 is radiative and A1 to A2 is non-radiative, my doubt is that how does an electron which is in A1 and is about to make a transition, know WHICH IS A2 OR B1 , for the electron it only experiences the life-time of these states and hence we can distinguish between normal state and metastable state, as both are metastable states their life-time would be the same.
 
A1 to B1 belongs to quantum dynamics, and A1 to A2 is due to thermal diffusion.
Eletron itself doesn't know which state it should go, but the detail physical process will decide where the electron is going
 

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