Can an exterior magnetic field be created using permanent magnet induction?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the construction of an interior rotating magnetic field intended to induce electron flow in a closed loop coil, utilizing a neodymium permanent magnet setup in a Halbach Array configuration. Participants explore the conditions necessary for producing a changing magnetic field and the implications for creating an exterior magnetic field.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their project involving a rotating neodymium magnet setup and seeks advice on inducing electron flow in a coil, emphasizing the need for a changing magnetic field.
  • Another participant suggests that a clear drawing of the setup would aid understanding.
  • A later reply discusses the nature of magnetic flux, noting that in certain conditions, flux can be confined within high permeability materials, leading to weak external fields.
  • Some participants propose that the external magnetic field can be estimated by considering the vector sum of fields from individual bar magnets, while others question the effectiveness of the proposed winding topology.
  • There is mention of the potential for a closed loop of wire to induce an electromotive force (EMF) based on changing magnetic fields, with emphasis on the orientation of the magnetic field relative to the loop.
  • Concerns are raised about the net flux enclosed by the winding potentially being zero, depending on the uniformity of the bar magnets and the winding geometry.
  • One participant suggests that connecting the winding to a power source could create the desired changing magnetic field, while noting that tightly wound toroidal solenoids produce minimal external fields.
  • Another participant mentions that many aspects of the problem may behave similarly regardless of motion, allowing for static approximations in modeling the magnetic fields.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the description of the setup and requests a clearer orthographic view to better understand the design.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the proposed setup and its intended outcomes. There is no consensus on the effectiveness of the methods discussed or the clarity of the design.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unclear assumptions about the geometry and materials involved, as well as unresolved questions regarding the effectiveness of the proposed winding and the nature of the magnetic fields generated.

  • #31
I have found that it's much easyer to have the magnets do the moving. When you have the wire moving, the electrical connections needs to be adapted to alllow for that movement in one form or another and that ads more parts. If you have the magnets do the moving the wire can be stationary and a direct connection can then be realized.
 
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  • #32
but i can't get a way through this,
what if i do rotate the coil and magnet one by one,
how will my experimental setup look like?
i at sea with this:S
 
  • #33
Nanobot, I must tell you that, The original post was a question about creating an exterior magnetic field around, what I now call a spherical coil. I can advise you in-regards to what I found is easyer to do. ie: move the magnets or move the wires. In my project both the magnet array is moving but the wire has limited movement.

I'm not able to design what your thinking because I just don't know what your out come should look like or how any of the parts relate to each other.

I would prefer if you stay in-keeping with the original post or post your question in the forum and have some one that has some more exprience in answering it.

Thanks
 
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