Can anybody display the maths?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a mathematical problem involving a ladder resting on a barrel, with participants exploring the necessary calculations and constraints to find a solution. The focus includes geometry, algebra, and the application of the Pythagorean theorem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the problem lacks sufficient information to arrive at a solution, specifically noting the need for a known height.
  • Others assert that a height is indeed provided, indicating that careful examination of the problem reveals necessary details.
  • One participant outlines three constraints that must be considered: the ladder's top moving along the y-axis, the bottom constrained to the x-axis, and the ladder being tangent to the circle.
  • Another participant proposes using the Pythagorean theorem to relate the bottom and top positions of the ladder to the height of 12.5.
  • There is mention of using the equation of the circle and differentiation as a potential method for solving the problem.
  • Some participants express that the problem can be resolved using the Pythagorean theorem, suggesting a simpler approach.
  • A later reply highlights the use of the equation for the radius of an inscribed circle as a more straightforward method than solving for the angle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the sufficiency of information provided in the problem. While some believe the necessary details are present, others contend that additional information is required for a definitive solution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to solve the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific constraints and mathematical approaches without reaching a consensus on the most effective method or confirming a final solution.

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Can you work this one out?


http://i44.tinypic.com/2hxu71s.jpg


It's supposed to be a ladder resting on a barrel. We've guessed the answer will be 12ft, and proven it with CAD! What the maths behind it?
 
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I'd of thought that there isn't enough information there to give an answer! A height would have to be known? :s
 
rob4586 said:
I'd of thought that there isn't enough information there to give an answer! A height would have to be known? :s

A height is known. Look carefully.
 
there's enough info although it can't be solved simply thru geometry and algebra. You basically have three constraints:
1) ladder top constrainted to move along y-axis (ie xtop=0 and 0<ytop<12.5)
2) ladder bottom constrainted to x-axis (ie 0<xbot<12.5 and ybot=0
3) ladder is tangent to circle

you can use the pythagorean theorem to relate xbot and ytop to the 12.5

you need an equation for constraint #3
 
You've obviously got its height of 3 at a depth 1.5 from the y axis. So would you have to use the equation of the circle and then differentiate it?
 
I've considered similar triangles but as previously mentioned there isn't the correct info there I don't think.
 
Sorted it, can be done with Pythagoras!
 
rob4586 said:
Sorted it, can be done with Pythagoras!

solved it right?

"Sorted it" sounds like something from Harry Potter's sorting hat.

Also could you tell us how you did it.
 
jedishrfu said:
solved it right?

"Sorted it" sounds like something from Harry Potter's sorting hat.

Also could you tell us how you did it.

Attached the file of the workings, it almost was magic :p
 

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Very nice, using the equation for the radius of an inscribed circle. Much simpler than solving for the angle.
 

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