Can Architectural Transition in Dam Design Solve the Global Energy Crisis?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential for architectural transitions in dam design to address global energy challenges, particularly through hydroelectric projects. Participants explore various ideas for modifying existing designs to enhance energy generation capabilities, while considering the implications of environmental factors and technical specifications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that modifying the civil design geometry of dams could increase energy potential, citing a need for new scientific approaches and collaboration with foreign expertise.
  • Another participant challenges the notion of losing energy potential, arguing that rainfall replenishes watersheds and that evaporation is the primary concern, especially during droughts.
  • A proposal is made to introduce curvature to penstocks to improve water speed and energy efficiency, although concerns about increased drag and the importance of turbine design are also mentioned.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the overall impact of hydroelectric power on global energy consumption, noting that it only contributes a small percentage to total energy usage.
  • One participant critiques the original post for clarity, indicating that the ideas presented were difficult to understand.
  • A later reply discusses the implications of altering the height of water discharge outlets, suggesting that such changes could inadvertently reduce the total energy available from the system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some supporting the exploration of new designs and others questioning the feasibility and impact of such changes. There is no consensus on the effectiveness of the proposed modifications or the overall role of hydroelectric power in solving energy crises.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unclear definitions of energy loss, assumptions about rainfall patterns, and unresolved technical details regarding the proposed modifications to dam design.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to engineers, environmental scientists, policymakers, and anyone involved in renewable energy solutions or hydroelectric project development.

Shabbir271065
The Subject matter is all over the World facing Energy problem, So I am trying to
Explain an idea for Old & New Dams / Reservoirs Hydro electric projects Civil Design Geometry Can be modifying in Architectural Transition to increase our energy potential. Because we are Losing heavy quantum of already storage water in our Big Dams and its relevant projects to generate Hydro Electric old technology, Now it must be need to convert into new theory of Scientific Technology as per utilizing in the way of experiment with foreign expertise at any Hydro electric base Model of concern Department or forum to finalize the following unique and entire world Globalize developing idea for its further implementations in the current ongoing and next coming future Hydel projects as soon as possible.

Please consider some point of views as following:

1. Idea come into my mind Last year. Some discussions with local personals in respective field but not proper and positive response yet.

2. Research papers / abstracts need to be develop after consultations subject mater from foreign expertise as like your consideration of interest.

3. Theories & ideas can be implement upon debating at world wide conversations with its facts and figures must be considered.

4. It doesn’t mean that my self have no proper proposal for describing because this one is a serous issue for entire world to escaping the current energy crises.

5. Mechanism / Methodology of idea to implement with Design criteria must be Liaise in near future as well as your kind and positive action.

6. My self keep this idea to preventing not go towards wrong ways, Sir your good self know better to me very well. Because after all it is the property of whole world and its creatures, Which will be fully utilize upon when enhance the capability of electrical energy generate according to the new term of way.
 
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Shabbir, unfortunately your inabilty to speak English and use of an online translater makes your post incomprehensible.
 
Since rainfall (preciptiation) replenishes the watershed behind a dam, we are not losing any 'quantum' of energy. However, evaporation from a lake will deplete a reservoir, if there is no rainfall in the watershed. Another problem occurs when the weather patterns shift and the watershed experiences prolonged drought. Loss of reservoir is a loss of potential generation.

Reservoirs may also provide municipal water.


The Lake Powell watershed has been experience drought during the last 10 years, however, this year the rainfall is closer to normal and the lake, behind Glen Canyon Dam, is slowly rising. http://www.usbr.gov/uc/water/crsp/cs/gcd.html

The Missouri River and others in the central US and central Canada are experiencing flooding, record flooding in some cases, this summer.

Hydroelectric projects should be sited where there is a productive river and watershed, and that would typically include a valley. In some cases though care must be taken not to destroy fisheries and forests.

In some cases, the prevailing weather conditions may be amenable to supporting wind turbines which can use the same transmission infrastructure when the dam is not producing due to insufficient flow.
 
Penstock for any hydroelectric dam is inclined at an angle. I propose that penstock should be given some curvature, this will improve the speed of the water, reaping greater amount of energy. This will improve the efficiency of any hydroelectric power station.
 
Shabbir271065 said:
Penstock for any hydroelectric dam is inclined at an angle. I propose that penstock should be given some curvature, this will improve the speed of the water, reaping greater amount of energy. This will improve the efficiency of any hydroelectric power station.
I think one needs to study the fluid mechanics of hydroturbines.

See - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Gorges_Dam#Generators
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_turbine#Theory_of_operation

A curved penstock would add length to the flow and increase drag. The efficiency is more strongly dependent on the turbine design and head (height) of water.

This paper has a diagram of the apparent penstock at Three Gorges Dam.
http://ussdams.com/proceedings/2011Proc/163-172.pdf

Large dams also have to balance hydraulic considerations with geotechnical/seismic considerations.
 
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I couldn't understand the original post, but we need to remember that hydroelectric power only provides a few % of our worldwide energy usage, so even a big increase in efficiency, however it were achieved, won't make much of a dent in our energy problem.
 
Planet of Earth Energy Crisis.

Dear Sir,

The Subject matter is all over the World facing Energy problem, So I am trying to
Explain an idea for Old & New Dams / Reservoirs Hydro electric projects Civil Design Geometry Can be modifying in Architectural Transition to increase our energy potential. Because we are Losing heavy quantum of already storage water in our Big Dams and its relevant projects to generate Hydro Electric old technology, Now it must be need to convert into new theory of Scientific Technology as per utilizing in the way of experiment with foreign expertise at any Hydro electric base Model of concern Department or forum to finalize the following unique and entire world Global developing idea for its further implementations in the current ongoing and next coming future Hydro projects as soon as possible.

Thanks.

with best regards.


RE: Planet of Earth Energy Crisis.

Dear Sir,

Thank you very much for your interest in proposed idea consideration, Due to other sectors & individuals responses take to my self need to be consult a proper forum regarding the situation now I am able to communicate with your good self. Also sorry for some days delaying answer from my side.

Please consider some point of views as following:

1. Idea come into my mind Last year. Some discussions with local personals in respective field but not proper and positive response yet.

2. Research papers / abstracts need to be develop after consultations subject mater from foreign expertise as like your consideration of interest.

3. Theories & ideas can be implement upon debating at world wide conversations with its facts and figures must be considered.

4. It does not mean that my self have no proper proposal for describing because this one is a serous issue for entire world to escaping the current energy crises.

5. Mechanism / Methodology of idea to implement with Design criteria must be Liaise in near future as well as your kind and positive action.

6. My self keep this idea to preventing not go towards wrong ways, Sir your good self know better to me very well. Because after all it is the property of whole world and its creatures, Which will be fully utilize upon when enhance the capability of electrical energy generate according to the new term of way.

Sir about my CV.

My Name is Shabbir.
Qualification: School certificate.
After this go toward Technical Course for Surveyor in 1982.
Then start as Land Surveyor Jobs in different Companies in Pakistan.
During in 30 years jobs mostly work on Topographic & as built Surveys.
Observations & Knowledge come through different Projects and Sites in the due course of my whole life.

Thanks.

Hoping for a positive response will be coming soon as well as your good self reply.

with best regards.

Shabbir (Land Surveyor)
 

Attachments

I took a look at your attached file, and what your are ignoring is the height of the water at the discharge outlet. You made the inlet to the turbine lower thinking this would provide more energy, but in doing so you have lowered the discharge outlet, which results in greater pressure from the reservoir at the outlet. This reduces the total energy available from the system.

If you want this scheme to work, you need to lower the river. :biggrin:
 
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Overly speculative posts aren't allowed here, sorry.
 

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