Can calcium ions be used as a source of entangled photons

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the feasibility of using calcium ions as a source of entangled photons, exploring methods of excitation and the implications of using different setups, including solutions and nonlinear crystals. The conversation touches on theoretical and experimental aspects of quantum entanglement.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that heating calcium in a tantalum oven and using a blue laser could produce entangled photons through double decay, questioning if a calcium salt solution could yield similar results.
  • Another participant indicates that while it might be possible to get occasional entangled photon pairs from a calcium solution, the setup would likely produce significant noise, making it impractical.
  • Several participants reference an article about entanglement using a beam splitter, noting that while entangled photon pairs are not produced directly, path entanglement occurs.
  • One participant expresses frustration with the noise from laser light in nonlinear crystal setups, advocating for methods that could entangle a larger percentage of input light to reduce noise in detection.
  • There is a mention of ongoing research into alternative methods for producing entangled photons, with hopes for commercially viable solutions.
  • A debate arises regarding the interpretation of statements about beam splitters and path entanglement, highlighting the complexity and context-dependent nature of quantum mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality of using calcium ions in solutions for producing entangled photons, with some suggesting it may yield results while others argue it is unlikely due to noise. The discussion around beam splitters also reveals conflicting interpretations, indicating unresolved disagreements.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of their proposed methods, including the dependence on specific setups and the challenges posed by noise in detection processes. The complexity of quantum mechanics is emphasized, suggesting that statements may vary significantly based on context.

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By heating calcium in a tantalum oven and subjecting the calcium vapor stream to blue laser, calcium atoms absorb the blue photons and emit two photons of lower energy as they decay twice.

Once they decay from the highest excited state to an intermediate excited state, and then from the intermediate excited state to the lowest energy state.
This double decay creates a pair of entangled photons.

I do not afford maintaining the high temperature needed to vaporize calcium for too long.
So instead, a concentrated water solution of a calcium salt could provide the alternative?

Do I still get entangled photons if I use a laser to excite calcium ions in a solution in water?
 
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sciencejournalist00 said:
Do I still get entangled photons if I use a laser to excite calcium ions in a solution in water?

You might get the occasional pair if you use a properly tuned laser. You will mostly get a lot of "noise" - which is common for many setups. So you use filters and coincidence counting to produce an entangled stream. Realistically you aren't going to get much from this configuration. The method you referenced, in its best setup, is not much used anymore due to better (more efficient) methods being available. So anything less than that would not be practical.
 
BTW, you might be interested in this article about entanglement using a beam splitter.

http://arxiv.org/abs/1602.01907

Note that entangled photon pairs are not produced by the beam splitter, but there is path entanglement. Since you are inquiring about different forms of entanglement, you might pick up something from their description of the setup.
 
DrChinese said:
BTW, you might be interested in this article about entanglement using a beam splitter.

http://arxiv.org/abs/1602.01907

Note that entangled photon pairs are not produced by the beam splitter, but there is path entanglement. Since you are inquiring about different forms of entanglement, you might pick up something from their description of the setup.

I know they aren't produced by the beam splitter, but as this shows http://www.unige.ch/gap/quantum/_media/publications:bib:afzelius2015a.pdf, the beamsplitter erases the information about their separate origins

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The reason I gave up using nonlinear crystals is the one you mentioned above. Most of the laser light does not get down-converted and becomes noise in the detection process. This is why I am looking for ways to entangle that involve entanglement of a large percent of the input light so that my detectors won't register noise.

My filters do not absorb all laser light. Even red filters allow some of the blue light to pass through so I cannot use them to separate entangled photon pairs from background light
 
sciencejournalist00 said:
The reason I gave up using nonlinear crystals is the one you mentioned above. Most of the laser light does not get down-converted and becomes noise in the detection process. This is why I am looking for ways to entangle that involve entanglement of a large percent of the input light so that my detectors won't register noise.

Why do you think scientists use the crystals? It is because it is the best source (or at least a better source). Many other methods are being studied at this time. The hope is to come up with something commercially feasible such as "on-demand entangled photons on a chip".
 
DrChinese said:
BTW, you might be interested in this article about entanglement using a beam splitter.

http://arxiv.org/abs/1602.01907

Note that entangled photon pairs are not produced by the beam splitter, but there is path entanglement. Since you are inquiring about different forms of entanglement, you might pick up something from their description of the setup.

Hey Dr Chinese, you said the beam splitter creates path entanglement in this quote, then you contradicted yourself today by saying it doesnt. How's that?
 
sciencejournalist00 said:
Hey Dr Chinese, you said the beam splitter creates path entanglement in this quote, then you contradicted yourself today by saying it doesnt. How's that?

Because I keep telling you: the devil is in the details. Each context is different. You obviously have the interest. Why don't you take the time to read and understand the *entire* article? You can't make blanket statements and expect them to make sense without that understanding. Almost any such statement is easily contradicted in the complex world of Quantum Mechanics.
 

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