Can Chromatic Aberration arise from Gravitational Lensing?

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The discussion explores whether chromatic aberration can arise from gravitational lensing, focusing on the interaction of light of different frequencies in a gravitational field. Participants examine the implications of general relativity and the behavior of light in curved spacetime, as well as the differences between light propagation in vacuum versus in a medium.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that light of different frequencies may experience different refraction angles due to their effective mass, which is related to their energy.
  • Others argue that in the framework of general relativity, the path of light is independent of its frequency when treated as moving on a straight line in curved spacetime.
  • A participant notes that chromatic aberration occurs around the sun but attributes it to the sun's chromosphere rather than spacetime curvature.
  • One participant emphasizes that the rate of fall in a gravitational field is independent of mass, drawing an analogy to Galileo's experiment with falling weights.
  • Another participant mentions that the deflection angle in gravitational lensing calculations is independent of the properties of the incident photons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between light frequency and gravitational lensing, with no consensus reached on whether chromatic aberration can arise from gravitational lensing.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions reference the need for a full understanding of general relativity versus Newtonian gravity, and the implications of special relativity on the speed of light in vacuum, indicating potential limitations in the current understanding.

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I've been puzzled by this. If light of different frequencies (like ultra violet to infra-red) would experience different refraction angles in the presence of a powerful gravity field. I understand that light has zero rest mass but has effective mass given the fact it's in motion.

What I'm figuring is it's frequency (I'm only guessing here) may yield a greater effective mass (eg, the ultra-violet over the infra-red) and that the two rays may refract at a slightly different angle due this?

I'm a bit confused due to my knowledge of Newtonian vectors, and I only have a basic understanding of Relativity. Could someone explain this to me thanks, also is there a research paper about this thanks. :blushing:
 
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Usually the bending of light is treated by having it move on a "straight line in curved spacetime", where the spacetime curvature is produced by the total mass-energy in the universe. In principle, the light should be included in the total mass-energy, in which case we don't have to use this approximation of light moving on a straight line. I don't know the answer to your question in the full theory, but in the approximation of light moving on a straight line, the path of light is independent of its frequency.
 
I understand that chromatic aberration does occur to light passing around the sun but that this is removed as it is considered to be caused by the chromosphere of the sun rather than by the space-time curvature. Interpret as you like.
 
JessicaNY said:
I've been puzzled by this. If light of different frequencies (like ultra violet to infra-red) would experience different refraction angles in the presence of a powerful gravity field. I understand that light has zero rest mass but has effective mass given the fact it's in motion.

What I'm figuring is it's frequency (I'm only guessing here) may yield a greater effective mass (eg, the ultra-violet over the infra-red) and that the two rays may refract at a slightly different angle due this?

An object's motion in a gravitational field doesn't depend on its mass, so even though photons of different frequencies have energies that are equivalent to different amounts of mass, we wouldn't expect this to affect their motions, by analogy with the case of material objects.

When light disperses in a physical medium like a prism, the different amounts of refraction relate to the different speeds of light with different frequencies. So the question you're asking is equivalent to the question of whether light waves have the same speed in vacuum regardless of frequency. Special relativity claims that they do, and if experimental evidence to the contrary came along, it would show that special relativity was only an approximation.

For a description of experimental tests of this, see subsection 2.4.1 of this: http://www.lightandmatter.com/html_books/genrel/ch02/ch02.html#Section2.4
 
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As bcrowell notes, you can't use Newtonian gravity to try and explain gravitational lensing; you need the full theory of general relativity. And indeed, when one does the calculation one can show that deflection angle is independent of any properties of the incident photons.
 
Can chromatic aberration arise from gravitational lensing?

Jessica, it is true that the energy, and therefore the effective mass, of photons is a function of their frequency, but, as pointed out elsewhere in these replies, the rate of fall in a gravitational field is independent of mass. Do you recall the famous experiment that Galileo is said to have performed, in which he dropped two different weights from the Leaning Tower of Pisa to prove that they fell at the same rate? He released them at the same time, and they both hit the ground at the same time. The reason the rate of fall is independent of mass is that inertial mass and gravitational mass are exactly proportional. Although the heaver mass has more gravitational force (more weight) pulling it to the ground, it also has more inertia, and it takes more force to accelerate it at a given rate. The amount of additional force is just enough to overcome the additional inertia, therefore it accelerates at the same rate as the lighter weight. This is true of both rest mass and effective mass.
 

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