Can Circular Motion Be Calculated Like Linear Motion?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of circular motion, particularly whether the principles used in linear motion can be applied to circular motion scenarios. Participants explore the implications of applying forces in different directions and how that affects calculations of distance and velocity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the linear motion equation for arc length in circular motion, suggesting that the arc length can be calculated as d = F*t²/(2m) under certain conditions.
  • Another participant questions the applicability of this approach, emphasizing the importance of the direction of the applied force and clarifying that angular velocity is not simply the total distance divided by the radius.
  • A follow-up question considers the scenario where the force is applied perpendicular to the motion, asking if the distance formula can still be used in that case.
  • Another participant responds that if the force is applied perpendicularly, the speed remains constant, and the distance traveled can be expressed as v_i*t.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of linear motion equations to circular motion, particularly regarding the direction of the applied force and its effects on velocity and distance calculations. The discussion remains unresolved with competing perspectives on the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the direction of the force and the initial conditions of the motion. The discussion does not resolve how these factors influence the calculations.

clm222
Hi, quick question
I've just started to learn circular motion and i tried a basic force problem.

Imagine there is a ball on a string with a string length 'r', and a ball mass 'm'.
You apply a force 'F' for one second. Can the arc length of the ball's motion be calculated the same as linear motion? d=\frac{F{t^2}}{2m} (replacing acceleration with F/m, vi=0)
Can I also go as far as the find the angular velocity by dividing by the radius?
ω=\frac{F{t^2}}{2mr}

Thanks.
 
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Where, and in which direction, do you apply the force?
If the force is always in direction of the circular motion (as forced by the string), that works. However, angular velocity after the acceleration is not the total distance divided by the radius. That is the angle, not its velocity.
 
oh ok,
so if i were to have the force constantly be applied perpendicular to the ball than i CAN use the distance formula?

if so, let's say the ball has initial velocity 'vi', and a force is applied, the final velocity can be calculated using {v_f}={v_i}+\frac{Ft}{m}, could i also calculate the distance travled: d={v_i}t+\frac{F{t^2}}{2m} ?
 
If the force is applied perpendicular to the motion of the ball then its speed is constant. The distance around the circle in time t is v_it.
 

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