Can delta function equality hold for m not equal to n?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical properties of the delta function, particularly in the context of an equation involving delta functions and the conditions under which one can conclude equality between constants and functions. Participants explore whether equality can be inferred when the arguments of the delta functions are not strictly equal but approach equality.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the equation delta(m-n)*A = delta(m-n)*B implies A = B only when m = n, or if it can also hold for m approaching n (m = n + epsilon).
  • Another participant suggests that if A and B are constants, then A = B holds true, but if B is a function of m and n, the conclusion may differ.
  • A later reply clarifies that if A is a constant and B is a function f(m,n), the conclusion drawn in a referenced paper is that A = lim(m->n)f(m,n), without assuming continuity at that point.
  • One participant emphasizes that the limit definition does not depend on the value of f at the point where m equals n, indicating that the behavior of f near that point is what matters.
  • Another participant questions whether it is valid to conclude A = lim(m->n)f(m,n) or only A = f(m,m), highlighting the need for more information about f(m,n).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the limit can be used to conclude equality in the context of the delta function, indicating that multiple competing interpretations exist regarding the implications of the delta function's properties.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the conclusions drawn depend heavily on the properties of the function f(m,n) and its behavior as m approaches n, which remains unspecified in the discussion.

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Hi
I am not a mathematician so my question might be silly.
I really came across it in physics but I think it is purely mathematical:
I came across an equation of the form:
delta(m-n)*A= delta(m-n)*B
my question is now for what cases can I conclude A=B?
Does this only hold for m=n, or can I also conclude A=B for m->n ,i.e. m=n+epsilon for sufficiently small epsilon. I am not sure about this as the naive definition of the delta function(infinite at 0; 0 everywhere else and integrates to 1 when 0 is in the integration range) would lead me to conclude that only when m=n I could conclude A=B. However the delta function is the limit of a set of function which do not vanish for for m=n+epsilon so maybe their is an argument why for epsilon small enough I should be able to conclude A=B. Another reason why I think this should be the case is that this argument came up in a paper of a nobel laureate and his argument crucially depended on the possibility to conclude A=B even when m not equal n but only m=n+epsilon. So if anybody could give me a rigorous argument why this should be possible I would be thankful to hear about it.
 
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What are A and B? Numbers or functions of x?

If numbers, then yes, A= B. If functions of x, then you can only conclude that A(m-n)= B(m-n).
 
Thanks for the reply.
Sorry the way I phrased the question was really stupid. Obviously if A and B are const then A=B, but for the case I am interested we have A=const and B=f(m,n). Now my quesion should have been:
If we have delta(m-n)*A=delta(m-n)*f(m,n) then in a famous paper a nobel laureate concludes A=lim(m->n)f(m,n) from which he deduces the validity that A=f(m,n) for m=n+epsilon. It is explicitly stated there that he does not assume lim(m->n)f(m,n)=f(m,m) but that he only needs lim(m->n)f(m,n).
So I was wondering why A=lim(m->n)f(m,n) if he does not assume lim(m->n)f(m,n)=f(m,m). However there must be a way as it is a celebrated paper and without this possibility the main prrof would not work.
 
alphaone said:
Thanks for the reply.
Sorry the way I phrased the question was really stupid. Obviously if A and B are const then A=B, but for the case I am interested we have A=const and B=f(m,n). Now my quesion should have been:
If we have delta(m-n)*A=delta(m-n)*f(m,n) then in a famous paper a nobel laureate concludes A=lim(m->n)f(m,n) from which he deduces the validity that A=f(m,n) for m=n+epsilon. It is explicitly stated there that he does not assume lim(m->n)f(m,n)=f(m,m) but that he only needs lim(m->n)f(m,n).
So I was wondering why A=lim(m->n)f(m,n) if he does not assume lim(m->n)f(m,n)=f(m,m). However there must be a way as it is a celebrated paper and without this possibility the main prrof would not work.
The value of f(n,n) (strictly speaking, since m is going to n you want f(n,n), not f(m,m)) is completely irrelevant to lim(m->n)f(m,n).

The definition of "lim(x->a) f(x)= L" is "For any \epsilon&gt;0, there exist \delta&gt;0 such that if 0&lt; |x-a|&lt; \delta then |f(x)-L|&lt; \epsilon." Notice the "0< "? What happens at x=a doesn't matter. In general, you can change f(a) to be anything at all (or even leave it undefined) without changing lim(x->a) f(x).

Of course, if f is continuous at a, then lim(x->a)f(x) must equal f(a) but apparently that is not being assumed here.
 
Thanks for the reply. I see what you are saying but now my quetion is:
In the case of delta(m-n)*A=delta(m-n)*f(m,n) is it valid to deduce A=lim(m->n)f(m,n) or is it only valid to deduce A=f(m,m)?
 
If my question is inclear please let me know, because I really would like to know the answer of this question.
 
Without more information on f(m,n) you can only conclude that A= f(m,m)
 

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