Can Electronic Manipulation Solve the Curvature Problem in Book Scanning?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design and construction of a book scanner, particularly focusing on the challenges posed by the curvature of pages when scanning large books. Participants explore various methods to support the book and maintain page flatness during the scanning process, considering both mechanical and electronic solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a V-shaped cradle to reduce book curvature but questions the effectiveness of this design, particularly regarding spine support.
  • Another suggests using adjustable square brackets to push pages towards the cover for a flatter surface.
  • A different approach involves using sliding leaves as a base to accommodate various book thicknesses.
  • One participant recommends placing the book face down with glass plates and a camera underneath to leverage the book's weight for flattening pages.
  • Concerns are raised about the mechanical automation of the page-turning process and its impact on design complexity.
  • Another participant suggests the possibility of electronically manipulating scanned images to correct for curvature distortion after capturing the image.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of ideas and solutions, with no consensus on the best approach to address the curvature problem. Some participants agree on the challenges posed by page curvature, while others propose differing methods to overcome these issues.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions regarding permissions for copying books and the legal context surrounding digital copies for disabled individuals, which may influence their perspectives on the scanner's design.

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I am designing a book scanner (I will be using a digital camera), and I need some advice for constructing a platform that will properly support large books. Through much research I have determined that a V-shaped cradle will be the best platform since this will tend to reduce the curvature of a book. However, this will still have to deal with the problem of curvature as I move towards the center of the book. The pages that have been turned will tend to pull on the spine altering its position so the spine is not resting on a flat surface but is at an angle because of the V-shaped cradle. I'm wondering if I left a gap at the bottom of the cradle if this could allow the spine more flexibility. My attached diagram illustrates this. However I must develop some alternative support to hold the spine. What are some methods I could use that would provide support that is flexible? One possibility that I considered is to have a bag filled with small, soft, rubberlike balls.
 

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You sure you have permission to copy these books? Just checking.
 
I personally think you should be able to copy books...assuming you took them out a a library or something and don't plan on selling copies, I consider it "extended borrowing." Anyways, the site http://www.geocities.jp/takascience/lego/fabs_en.html
has a pretty good book scanner, except it looks like his platform may not be wide enough to support the book. Like you said, curvature towards the spine makes problems, I think if you had some kind of square bracket that could be adjusted for slightly less than the size of the book's page you would be able to have the bracket push the page back towards the cover, making it flatter. Then if you get the camera aligned straight it might not blur the words.
 
How about you just use a couple of sliding 'leaves' as the base angle, so that you can telescope them to accommodate different thicknesses of book? (Sort of like how old-fashioned roller skates or expandable dining tables work.)
 
OK, well assuming you do have the appropriate permissions...

My contribution: I suggest you turn the book over, use glass plates and put your camera underneath. This will allow the book's weight to press the pages flat - and I suspect will solve a host of other problems to do with the changing shape of the book.


Question: Is the page turner supposed to be mechanically automated? i.e. it doesn't need your input? Because that'll make a lot of difference in all the designs.
 
I do intend this to be fully robotic. I had considered having the book face down, but I thought it would be too complicated to have a mechanism that would lift the book up in order to turn the next page.

By the way, the reason I'm doing this is because I'm physically unable to turn pages, and the Chafee amendment allows disabled individuals to have legal digital copies of print media.
 
Dave has already mentioned what will probably be your biggest hurdle—keeping the pages flat enough for a good image without damaging the spine of the book. I've had tonnes of trouble trying to do that with a regular photocopier. The page curvature, even if everything is visible, distorts the image. I have an off-the-top-of-my-head solution to that, but I'm not sure that it will work.
Give me a while to think on it, and I'll throw you a sketch.
 
I would greatly appreciate that.
 
I wonder if you couldn't simply manipulate the page electronically so that you take the picture and you have this curvature problem, then electronically manipulate it to eliminate any distortion. Perhaps you can work off the lines that define the top and bottom of the page, or any obvious lines that cross the page such as a sentance.

There are systems that take a scanned image and convert it to a text file, so I have to believe it would be possible to scan a distorted page and manipulate it electronically.
 

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