Can Electrons Exist at Extreme Distances from Their Atomic Nucleus?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the existence of energy levels for electrons at extreme distances from their atomic nucleus, exploring theoretical implications and the behavior of electrons in various energy states. It touches on concepts from quantum mechanics, atomic structure, and the nature of bound and free states of electrons.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether electrons can exist at distances of 1m, 100m, or 1km from their atomic nucleus, suggesting that there may be available energy levels at such distances.
  • Others propose that electrons prefer to remain within approximately 10^-10 meters from the nucleus because this distance represents a balance of potential and kinetic energy, leading to the lowest energy state.
  • One participant notes that at higher energies, electrons can ionize and become "free," indicating that higher energy states are not considered "bound states" anymore.
  • Another participant discusses the exponential decay of the probability of finding an electron as the distance from the nucleus increases, mentioning that the peak of this probability distribution shifts with increasing energy levels.
  • It is suggested that if an electron were in a completely isolated environment, it might have access to energy levels beyond the usual bounds, particularly if influenced by energetic photons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of belief regarding the existence of energy levels at extreme distances, with some agreeing on the theoretical possibility while others emphasize practical limitations and conditions under which these states might be realized. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of "bound" and "free" states, as well as the assumptions regarding the isolation of nuclei and the influence of external fields on electron behavior.

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Are there (available) energy levels of an electron say, at a distance 1m, or 100m or 1km away, and near the moon and beyond that belongs to an atomic nucleus on Earth ?
If yes, then why does it prefer to be within the 10^-10 meter distance from the nucleus ?
Sridhar
 
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sridhar10chitta said:
Are there (available) energy levels of an electron say, at a distance 1m, or 100m or 1km away, and near the moon and beyond that belongs to an atomic nucleus on Earth ?
I believe so, but I am not certain.
sridhar10chitta said:
If yes, then why does it prefer to be within the 10^-10 meter distance from the nucleus ?
Because that is the lowest energy state.
 
I also believe so, but practically the electron ionizes and becomes "free" when the energies are high.

We could say, higher energy states are not "bound states" any more. If you check the probability of finding the electron measured from the center of the hydrogen atom, it decays exponentially with the distance for low energy "bound states" , but the peak of the curve shifts to the right when the energy increases.

Check the following and see what happens as "n" increases ( Increasing n - is increasing the energy)

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/hydwf.html
 
The nucleus has an opposite charge, so the electron is attracted to the nucleus and gains potential energy from being located closer to it. On the other hand, by 'confining' itself to a smaller region of space, it increases its kinetic energy (c.f. particle-in-the-box).

So if [tex]Z \rightarrow 0[/tex] the electron will spread out over all space, and as [tex]Z \rightarrow \infty[/tex] the electron becomes entirely concentrated at the nucleus.

The 10^-10 m value happens to be where these two effects balance out.
 
Hi sridhar10chitta! :smile:
sridhar10chitta said:
Are there (available) energy levels of an electron say, at a distance 1m, or 100m or 1km away, and near the moon and beyond that belongs to an atomic nucleus on Earth ?

I think the main problem is that at 1m away, that won't be the only nearby nucleus … the energy levels depend on the total field, which is the equivalent of Z -> ∞.

But if a nucleus were completely isolated, in some void in space, then energy levels far beyond the usual would be available.

In other words, if a really energetic photon hits an electron "orbiting" a nucleus on Earth, there's no energy level round the same nucleus for it to go to (so I suppose it just "escapes"), but in a void in space, the same photon could knock the electron out to a huge distance, and it would still be "orbiting".
 

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