Can factorials be integrated in this equation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the integration of an equation involving factorials, specifically whether a value of k can satisfy the given integral relation. The focus is on the mathematical properties of factorials within the context of integration, including potential issues with continuity and the definition of factorials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an integral equation involving factorials and seeks to determine if a value of k exists that satisfies the relation.
  • Another participant challenges the formulation, arguing that having the dummy variable of integration as a limit of integration is problematic and suggests replacing it with a different variable.
  • A further point is raised about the continuity of the variable of integration, noting that factorials are only defined for non-negative integers, which complicates the integration process.
  • One participant suggests the possibility of using the Euler Gamma Function to generalize the factorials, although they express skepticism about the overall validity of the approach.
  • A participant acknowledges a mistake regarding the variable used in the integral and seeks guidance on how to proceed after considering the continuity issue.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the formulation of the integral and the implications of using factorials in this context. There is no consensus on how to resolve the issues raised, particularly concerning the continuity of the variable of integration and the validity of the proposed approaches.

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Participants highlight limitations related to the definition of factorials, the continuity of the variable of integration, and the potential need for alternative mathematical formulations.

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Hello,

well here's my problem: I got this integral and I don't know how to calculate it (I am trying to find if there exists a k that satisfies this relation) :

\int_0^k \frac{1}{ ( 4k-4r-2 ) ! ( 4r+1 ) ! }\, \left ( \frac{y}{x} \right )^{4r} dk = \int_0^k \frac{1}{ ( 4k-4r ) ! ( 4r+3 ) ! }\, \left ( \frac{y}{x} \right )^{4r} dk

The problem is mainly in the factorial part (they are results of binomial coefficients as you may see)
Any help?

P.S. There probably doesn't exist such a k.
 
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What you have written here is non-sense. For 2 reasons! First is that you cannot have the dummy variable of integration also be a limit of integration. But that is a minor detail- since it is a dummy variable, replace it with some other variable:
\frac{\left(\frac{y}{x}\right)^{4r}}{(4r+1)!} \int_0^k\frac{1}{(4p- 4r- 2)!}dp= \frac{\left(\frac{y}{x}\right)^{4r}}{(4r+ 3)!}\int_0^k\frac{1}{(4p- 4r)!}dp

But there is a much more important problem. Whether you call it "k" or "p", the "variable of integration" must be continuous while the factorial is only defined for non-negative integers.
 
You could generalize by putting factorial into an Euler Gamma Function, but that would still make no sense.
 
Sorry I meant to put r in the variable not k. However I see your point about the continuity... I started with having sums in the lhs and the rhs. What do I do now?
 

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