Can Ferrofluids Be Used in Tokamak or Spheromak Fusion Devices?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the feasibility of using ferrofluids in tokamak or spheromak fusion devices, particularly in the context of propulsion systems utilizing burning plasma. Participants explore the potential applications, advantages, and limitations of ferrofluids in these advanced fusion concepts.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the possibility of using ferrofluids in tokamak/spheromak designs and seeks clarification on the reasons against it.
  • Another participant asserts that temperature is a critical factor that would prevent the use of ferrofluids.
  • A different participant inquires about the intended use of ferrofluids, specifically whether they would be employed to generate the confining magnetic field and what advantages they might offer over traditional coils.
  • One participant proposes a novel concept of using burning plasma as a rocket propulsion system, suggesting that an aneutronic fusion reaction could minimize energy harvesting losses and allow for a "disposable tokamak" design that could serve dual purposes as both an energy container and propellant.
  • The same participant speculates on the possibility of using a suitable liquid or colloidal material to achieve the necessary magnetic field while also acting as propellant, drawing an analogy to the Earth's molten core.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of using ferrofluids in fusion devices, with some asserting limitations based on temperature and others exploring innovative applications. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing ideas presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully explored the assumptions regarding the properties of ferrofluids at high temperatures, the specific requirements for magnetic confinement in fusion devices, or the technical challenges associated with the proposed propulsion system.

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Hi,

Is it possible to use a ferrofluid to create a tokamak/spheromak? If not, then why?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrofluid

Ferrofluids can be composed of non-magnetic liquids containing magnetic particles in colloidal suspension.
 
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What do you want to use the ferrofluid for? For generating the confining magnetic field? What advantages would it have over a simple coil?
 


Well, what I was thinking of, was the idea of using a burning plasma as rocket propulsion.

If you use an aneutronic fusion reaction to minimize harvesting losses, then you can recycle more energy back into the system.

So the idea would be to use the burning plasma as an "energy container" rather than as an energy source. You would charge it up with energy while on the ground, and then rely on that plasma to keep burning for the time it takes to reach orbit.

The idea would be to have a "disposable tokamak" which would be lighter in weight, and whose walls could be converted into exhaust gas by the burning plasma. Astronuc once said that the problem with nuclear rockets is in the "working fluid" (ie. the energetic nuclear material is not the same as the exhaust propellant material, and the bottleneck is in transferring power from one to the other). So that's where having liquid containment walls for your pseudo-tokamak would allow the supply of wall material to be replenished, while also serving as both propellant and "working fluid"

Perhaps I should have said "magnetic fluid" instead of ferrofluid. After all, the Earth's molten core has magnetism even while being at a high temperature, although it's much weaker magnetism than a tokamak. I was wondering whether a suitable choice of liquid, or else a suitable choice of colloidal material, could be used to achieve the same magnetic field as a tokamak, while also acting as propellant.
 

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