Can Gravity Near a Black Hole Allow Time Travel?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of time travel in relation to black holes and the effects of gravity on time. Participants explore the implications of traveling at the speed of light and the nature of time as described by general relativity, questioning whether proximity to a black hole could allow for time travel or alter the perception of time.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that to "go" back in time one second, one would need to travel the speed of light, but questions whether this holds true near a black hole where gravity might bend time.
  • Another participant asserts that it would be impossible to travel back in time, claiming that one would need to exceed the speed of light to do so, and emphasizes the dangers of being near a black hole.
  • A different participant clarifies that while one cannot go back in time by traveling in space, observing distant objects allows one to see them as they were in the past.
  • Concerns are raised about the nature of time, with one participant stating that time is not a continuum, while another counters that it is treated as such in general relativity.
  • There is a discussion about wormholes, with one participant claiming that gravity bending time could create them, while another argues that changing the topology of space-time is necessary for wormhole creation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the possibility of time travel and the nature of time itself. There is no consensus on whether gravity near a black hole could facilitate time travel or whether wormholes could be formed simply by gravity bending time.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the speed of light and its implications for time travel, but there are unresolved definitions and assumptions regarding time, space-time curvature, and the conditions necessary for wormhole formation.

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keep in mind i am just an average high schooler who likes to read, but i was just wondering about something that i couldn't find in books or the internet. i know that the speed of light is 186,390 miles per second, so in turn you would have to travel that many miles to "go" back in time one second. but wouldn't that only be the case if you were on a level plane of time? i guess my real question is that if you were standing on a black hole, would that one second be much much closer due to gravity bending time? i hope that made sense enough for you to clarify for me. thx.
 
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phintastic said:
keep in mind i am just an average high schooler who likes to read, but i was just wondering about something that i couldn't find in books or the internet. i know that the speed of light is 186,390 miles per second, so in turn you would have to travel that many miles to "go" back in time one second. but wouldn't that only be the case if you were on a level plane of time? i guess my real question is that if you were standing on a black hole, would that one second be much much closer due to gravity bending time? i hope that made sense enough for you to clarify for me. thx.

It would be impossible for anyone to travel back in time. Time is not continum. And even if it were you would have to travel double the speed of light, mabey even triple just to travel back in time. Travelling 180,000 miles per second won't even get you anywhere probably one second in the futuer and even then it would still take you eight minutes to travel eight minutes to travel just 9 TRILLION MILES!

If you were even near a black hole, much less just a few hundread trillion miles away you would still be sucked into oblivion. And on top of that Gravity bending time would create a wormwhole. Which is why a straight line isn't the shortest distance between two pionts it would be a wormwhole (the cloest to time travel you'll ever get.)
 
phintastic said:
keep in mind i am just an average high schooler who likes to read, but i was just wondering about something that i couldn't find in books or the internet. i know that the speed of light is 186,390 miles per second,
c=299792458 m/s to be exact.

phintastic said:
so in turn you would have to travel that many miles to "go" back in time one second.
You can't go back in time by traveling in space (at any speed), but maybe you just meant that if you look at an object at that distance you see it as it was a second ago.

phintastic said:
but wouldn't that only be the case if you were on a level plane of time?
Did you mean "only if you're in a region of space-time that's flat"? In that case, the answer is no. The speed of light is always c.

phintastic said:
i guess my real question is that if you were standing on a black hole, would that one second be much much closer due to gravity bending time? i hope that made sense enough for you to clarify for me. thx.
The answer is probably no, but I'm not sure I understand the question.
 
Kt_Atis said:
Time is not continum.
It is in general relativity, which is still the best theory of gravity we have.

Kt_Atis said:
And even if it were you would have to travel double the speed of light, mabey even triple just to travel back in time.
Even if you could travel faster than c, you still wouldn't be able to go back in time. The weird thing that would happen is that in some inertial frames you would be seen to do everything in reverse order. For example, the end of your trip would occur before the start.

Kt_Atis said:
And on top of that Gravity bending time would create a wormwhole.
Not necessarily. To create a wormhole you have to change the topology of space-time, not just the curvature.
 

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