Can Gravity Really Slow Down the Expansion of the Universe?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between gravity and the expansion of the universe, exploring whether gravity can slow down this expansion. Participants consider theoretical implications, observational evidence, and the role of dark energy, with a focus on the parameter \Omega that characterizes the universe's density.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that while space itself is expanding, gravity affects matter and energy, potentially warping space but not necessarily slowing its expansion.
  • Others note that until recent observations indicated an accelerating expansion, it was generally believed gravity would slow down the universe's expansion.
  • A participant questions whether the expansion of space could be a force driving matter apart, possibly stronger than gravity.
  • There is a discussion about the parameter \Omega, which characterizes the density of the universe and its implications for whether gravity will eventually halt the expansion.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the exact value of \Omega, noting that current measurements are insufficient to determine if it is greater than, less than, or equal to 1.
  • One participant elaborates on the components of \Omega, including contributions from ordinary matter, dark matter, radiation, and dark energy, suggesting that our understanding of these densities may evolve over time.
  • Concerns are raised about the overall and future effects of gravity on the universe's expansion, with references to ongoing research into gravitational waves and the fundamental nature of gravity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the influence of gravity on the expansion of the universe, and the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include uncertainties in the measurements of \Omega and the evolving understanding of dark energy and gravity's role in cosmology.

T.O.E Dream
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Okay, for all I know space itself is expanding, carrying the matter along with it (I think). And gravity applies to matter (and energy), so even if we (meaning the matter) stop expanding because of gravity space can keeping expanding because gravity doesn't slow it down (maybe warps it, but doesn't slow it down). Am I right?

Please really think of what I mean before you answer.
Thanks in Advance!
 
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Until about ten years ago it was generally thought that gravity would slow down the expansion. However at that time two independent observation studies showed that the expansion was speeding up. To explain it, physicists have come up with the idea of dark energy. What it all means is very much an open question.
 
Well can the space expanding be the force driving matter apart from each other and it just happens to be stronger than the force of gravity.
 
T.O.E Dream said:
Well can the space expanding be the force driving matter apart from each other and it just happens to be stronger than the force of gravity.

The fact that galaxies are moving away from each other is no mystery; they're moving away because gravity either cannot, or has not yet, halted the universe's expansion. The mystery is that this expansion is accelerating.
 
I have a question about the halting of the universe because of gravity. Has anyone actually calculated that gravity should or shouldn't halt the expansion?
 
There's a parameter called [itex]\Omega[/itex] that characterizes that: gravity will eventually halt the expansion of the universe if and only if [itex]\Omega > 1[/itex]. Basically, [itex]\Omega[/itex] represents the density of the universe. The thing is, nobody's quite sure exactly what the value of [itex]\Omega[/itex] is - all we know is that it's very close to 1. It's based on astrophysical measurements, and right now those measurements can't be made precisely enough to tell whether [itex]\Omega[/itex] is actually greater or less than 1.
 
diazona said:
There's a parameter called [itex]\Omega[/itex] that characterizes that: gravity will eventually halt the expansion of the universe if and only if [itex]\Omega > 1[/itex]. Basically, [itex]\Omega[/itex] represents the density of the universe. The thing is, nobody's quite sure exactly what the value of [itex]\Omega[/itex] is - all we know is that it's very close to 1. It's based on astrophysical measurements, and right now those measurements can't be made precisely enough to tell whether [itex]\Omega[/itex] is actually greater or less than 1.

Just to clarify one more item [tex]\Omega[/tex] actually consists of a bunch of varieties including but not limited to: [tex]\Omega_M[/tex] for ordinary matter and including Dark Matter, [tex]\Omega_R[/tex] for radiation density, and [tex]\Omega_\Lambda[/tex] for the Cosmological constant and Dark Energy. The total of all these densities comes out to the final value of [tex]\Omega[/tex] which if as diazona said is either > 1, or = 1, or < 1, will determine the fate of the universe (essentially).

As such more than a decade back we had no idea about dark energy and probably hadn't even thought of the term to coin it, so the values for these densities are changing and variants of the densities will surely pop up in the future as we determine more and more about the ingredients of the universe. This in itself is the basis of cosmology.

As for gravity mixing into this recipe, we are not sure about its overall or future effect on the expansion of the universe. There are a few instruments I believe that will be going up (or are already up) and measuring gravity waves and searching for gravitons and other elusive physical particles. Hell we barely even know how gravity works here on Earth or other bodies. Wtf exactly is causing us to be pulled backwards towards the ground whenever we jump or shoot missiles at other countries?

For now we just play the waiting game
 

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