Can i be a mathematician if i'm not smart enough?

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The discussion revolves around the concerns of a student studying Mathematical Science who questions their ability to become a mathematician due to perceived difficulties in understanding complex concepts and slower problem-solving compared to peers. Participants explore themes of learning styles, the importance of speed in mathematics, and the potential for pursuing mathematics as a hobby versus a profession.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses feelings of inadequacy and doubts about pursuing a master's or PhD in mathematics due to slow progress and comparison with peers.
  • Another suggests exploring different areas of mathematics, emphasizing that not excelling in every branch does not equate to failure in mathematics as a whole.
  • Some participants argue that while everyone can learn mathematics, speed is often emphasized in professional contexts, which may impact career success.
  • There is a discussion about the fixation on speed, with some arguing that discovery in mathematics does not require rapidity, while others counter that practical work often demands timely results.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of needing to be fast in mathematics, with some participants advocating for a broader definition of success that includes hard work over speed.
  • One participant shares personal experiences of struggling with speed in mathematics, leading to doubts about their potential as a mathematician.
  • Another points out that most mathematicians focus on practical work that requires meeting deadlines rather than solely on theoretical problems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the importance of speed in mathematics, with some advocating for its significance in professional success while others argue against the necessity of being fast. There is no consensus on whether speed is a critical factor for success in mathematics or if it can be overcome through hard work and passion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights varying personal experiences with learning mathematics, suggesting that individual learning paces and preferences may influence perceptions of capability. The debate on speed versus understanding remains unresolved, with differing opinions on its relevance to success in mathematics.

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I'm currently studying Mathematical Science and I found that it's hard for me to comprehend mathematical concepts without anyone explain them to me especially complex analysis and differential equations. I can spend days or weeks just to solve/prove a mathematical problem which most of my friends can solve it within 1 hour. My current CGPA is 3.0.

I love mathematics and really want to pursue pure mathematics but my progress is just too slow compare to others... Now I doubt my ability and I'm really depressed... What should I do? Should I continue master or phd? Or just give up my dream?
 
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Maybe it is the problem with the specific subject and not you. Have you considered other areas of math, such as discrete math, algebra, geometry, topology, probability theory etc. ? If you can find some field of mathematics which you really enjoy and excel in, you can still specialize in that and make a name for yourself in it. It's ok if you're not good at certain branches of math, it doesn't mean you fail at math altogether. Math is a vast subject so it's hard to be a master in all of it.

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I am convinced that everybody can learn mathematics. But I also think that to make a good mathematician, one has to be really "fast" about it. It is one thing to do math for your own satisfaction, and quite another to trail eternally behind more successful colleagues. A professionally successful mathematician typically obtains some good results when he is still young, so being proficient in early years is extremely important. Unless there is an area of mathematics that you master effortlessly and naturally, you should think really hard whether this is your true destiny professionally.

Don't forget that there is always a place for math even if you do something else for a living. For Fermat, for example, it was but a hobby.
 
Thank you all for the reply. I do like real analysis and abstract algebra a lot but I can't really say I'm excel in that two because there are still a lot of my friends who do better than me. Let say I decided to do mathematics for hobby, any idea what can I do with a bachelor in mathematical science?
p/s: I don't like insurance.
 
A BS in math is as good as any other one. You can still do pretty much anything you want after you get one. But it might be a good idea to think whether you have any other interests except pure math and elect some courses accordingly.

And please take my previous comment with a grain of salt. When people transit from high-school math to university math, it will take them a while to adapt. I think you still have time to let that happen - but that won't come effortlessly!
 
voko said:
I am convinced that everybody can learn mathematics. But I also think that to make a good mathematician, one has to be really "fast" about it.

Why the fixation on speed? Yes, it cannot take you forever to cover the basic material. However, just because you get timed exams (and competitions) in school doesn't mean that discovery requires you to be really "fast."

Whether you take 2 weeks or 20 years to prove the Riemann hypothesis will not matter at all...
 
Sankaku said:
Why the fixation on speed? Yes, it cannot take you forever to cover the basic material. However, just because you get timed exams (and competitions) in school doesn't mean that discovery requires you to be really "fast."

Whether you take 2 weeks or 20 years to prove the Riemann hypothesis will not matter at all...

It won't matter for the mankind. For you, as a professional scientist, it will matter a lot.
 
voko said:
It won't matter for the mankind. For you, as a professional scientist, it will matter a lot.

So, if someone is only capable of solving it in 20 years, they shouldn't even bother trying?
 
Sankaku said:
So, if someone is only capable of solving it in 20 years, they shouldn't even bother trying?

This kind of argument is known as the "straw man". Don't do this.
 
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voko said:
This kind of argument is known as the "straw man". Don't do this.

No, this kind of argument is called "taking the statement to its logical conclusion." Yes, I am exaggerating what you said, but you have to be careful about the more subtle implications of your statement. I have a longstanding quest to stamp out the misconception that one has to be "fast" at mathematics to succeed at it.
 
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Sankaku said:
No, this kind of argument is called "taking the statement to its logical conclusion."

This is not my statement and this does not follow from it. I never insinuated anything that could or should be understood as "you get a grand result now or never at all".

Yes, I am exaggerating what you said

Exactly.

but you have to be careful about the more subtle implications of your statement. I have a longstanding quest to stamp out the misconception that one has to be "fast" at mathematics to succeed at it.

This is all about your definition of "succeed". I was talking about the pragmatic rather than the scientific aspect.
 
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Sankaku said:
I have a longstanding quest to stamp out the misconception that one has to be "fast" at mathematics to succeed at it.

Why do you think this is a misconception? I'm very slow at math and it hampered my ability all throughout college. I could never be a mathematician, I am far too slow and learning math and I'm not smart enough.
 
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Most working mathematicians don't spend their time thinking about big unsolved research problems. The earn their living by doing things where answers or advice are wanted to meet a deadline. You don't have to be the fastest person on earth, but if you can't get work done at an average rate you won't have a successful career.

Even in academia, you have to get your lectures prepared and your tests created and marked on time!
 
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Speed and natural ability aren't completely irrelevant, but they are subservient to hard work.

-Dave K
 

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