Can I detect electrons using X-ray film?

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The discussion centers around the feasibility of detecting electrons using X-ray film, particularly in the context of a research project involving an electron gun. Participants explore various film types and processing methods while considering the technical challenges involved.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the possibility of using X-ray film to detect electrons, expressing uncertainty about its effectiveness.
  • Another participant suggests that both X-ray and regular black-and-white film can be used in a vacuum chamber to expose it to cathode rays, sharing a personal experience from the 1970s with an Electron Beam Recorder.
  • A different participant recommends using 35mm black-and-white film for its cost-effectiveness and the ability to develop it personally for quicker results.
  • Concerns are raised about the need for the film to be electrically conductive to avoid charge buildup that could distort the image, with suggestions for grounding methods and potential issues with using fabric softener.
  • Several participants express gratitude for the advice provided, indicating that the information was helpful.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that 35mm black-and-white film could be a viable option for detecting electrons, but there are differing views on the necessity of conductivity and the implications of using fabric softener on the film.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the conductivity of silver halide gelatin and the effects of applying fabric softener to the film, which may impact the detection process.

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electron detection using x-ray film
I'm conducting a research about making a electron gun. I first tried to detect electron using nuclear emulsion plate. But I couldn't purchase one near my town. So, instead, I'm thinking about using a x-ray film to detect electron. But I'm not sure it'll work.
SO, IS IT POSSIBLE TO DETECT ELECTRONS USING THE X-RAY FILM?🤔
 
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You can definitely put film (x-ray or normal B/W) into a vacuum chamber and expose it with a cathode ray.

In the mid '70's, I was working on a contract for the US Defense Mapping Agency, Aerospace Center in Saint Louis. The final product they produced was on paper that only needed to last about 2 months (because the charts expired and were superseded in that time), so the quality of the paper was not good.

Despite this, the output device they chose (for the print signatures - about 16 pages at a time) was called an "Electron Beam Recorder" and had the ability to draw incredibly fine text and graphics - with a positioning resolution of 40,000 per inch and a film format about 5 inches wide and up to about 8 inches long.
 
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Yes. You might consider 35mm B&W film. It will be cheaper and you can develop it yourself, which could give you quicker results and save money.
 
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I processed the EBR film exactly as I would B/W 35mm film - using a Kodak developer, an acetic acid stop, and then the fixer.
However, it occurs to me that the film itself needed to be grounded and must have been electrically conductive. Otherwise, a charge could have built up on the film and that would have distorted the image.

It's not clear that a silver halide gelatin would be naturally conductive. So there could be a grounding problem. You could put a light coat of fabric softener on the plastic side to make it conductive - but that might not do the emulsion any good - where the charge is going to be building up.

Of course, putting softener on the emulsion side might shield it from the electrons. I would experiment with a thin coat of very dilute fabric softener - and then let it dry. Of course, you would need to do that entirely in the dark.
 
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Thank you so much! It really helped me a lot! :)
 
DaveE said:
Yes. You might consider 35mm B&W film. It will be cheaper and you can develop it yourself, which could give you quicker results and save money.
Thank you for your kind advice! 😁
 

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