Can I take Abstract Algebra as a High School Student?

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The discussion revolves around the prerequisites for taking an Abstract Algebra course at a university as a high school student. Participants explore the necessity of Calculus III as a prerequisite and whether it is essential for understanding the material in Abstract Algebra.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the prerequisite of Calculus III may be more about ensuring mathematical aptitude rather than being necessary for understanding Abstract Algebra.
  • Another participant suggests that introductory Abstract Algebra will likely not involve multivariable or vector calculus, focusing instead on basic properties of sets, functions, and algebraic structures.
  • A suggestion is made to contact the course instructor for clarification on the necessity of the prerequisite.
  • One participant argues that Calculus III is not needed to start studying Abstract Algebra, proposing that high school students can begin with groups and gradually move to more complex structures that may require calculus.
  • There is uncertainty about whether Linear Algebra is covered in Calculus III or if it is a separate course, which could influence the understanding of Abstract Algebra.
  • Another participant asserts that while multi-variable calculus is not needed, a basic understanding of Linear Algebra might be beneficial.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of Calculus III for understanding Abstract Algebra, with no consensus reached on whether it is essential or merely a precautionary measure.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the ambiguity surrounding the prerequisites and the varying levels of mathematical background that may be required for different aspects of Abstract Algebra.

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I've read up a little bit about Abstract Algebra and it seems like a really interesting subject. A university near me will offer an intro class in it next semester. Trouble is, the university requires Calc III as a prerequisite for the course. I'm taking AP Calc right now at school, but it doesn't look like there's any calculus in the Algebra course. Is the prerequisite simply to ensure that people enrolling have some mathematical aptitude rather than necessary to understanding the material --(I'm a smart kid with a near-perfect SAT score so I think I can probably pick up the material?)
 
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Introductory algebra almost certainly won't involve anything resembling multivariable or vector calculus unless they happen to cover something unusually specialized. You'll study the basic properties of sets, functions and relations before going on to study algebraic structures. The requirement is almost certainly, as you say, to ensure some level of comfort with advanced mathematics. If you're interested in learning a but of algebra but can't take the course, Gilbert's Elements of Modern Algebra is a fantastic introduction to the subject and to proofs in general. Be aware that the subject is nothing like any mathematics you've ever encountered before.
 
The best thing to do is to talk to the person giving the course. E-mail them and ask if you can set up a time to discuss this, or ask them in the e-mail what you want to know. Otherwise get a hold of the secretary.
 
Thereis no reason why you need calc III to start on abstract algebra. Quite likely the university course includes some "advanced" examples of algebraic structures that need Calc III to understand them, but that isn't the core part of the subject.

At high school level, I suggest you start by studying groups. There are good examples of groups that don't involve any math concepts beyond integer arithmetic, geometric operations like reflections and rotations, permutations of lists of objects, etc. Then move on to rings, fields, and vector spaces - at which point you WILL come across examples of algebraic structures where the elements of the structure are functions, and you will need calc III to understand what the operations on the elements mean.
 
We also don't know if linear algebra gets its own course or if it's covered in Calc III, which would be a good reason to teach it before Abstract.
 

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