Can I Teach Myself Calculus for Advanced Physics?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether self-teaching calculus is sufficient for understanding advanced physics. Participants explore various resources and approaches to learning calculus, considering both the depth of understanding and practical application in physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that watching Khan Academy videos may provide a basic understanding of calculus techniques, though the depth of learning is uncertain.
  • Another participant recommends Courant's Calculus for those seeking a more rigorous understanding, noting that it encourages critical thinking and problem-solving.
  • Calculus by Michael Spivak is highlighted as a thorough resource, but some participants caution that it may be too challenging for those primarily interested in practical applications.
  • Some participants express a preference for Thompson's Calculus Made Easy, acknowledging its usefulness for intuition but also noting its potential outdatedness and limitations.
  • There is a mention of Richard Feynman’s use of various calculus books, including Calculus Made Easy, which adds a historical perspective to the discussion.
  • One participant emphasizes their desire for a deep understanding of calculus, not just operational skills, and expresses appreciation for the recommendations provided.

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Participants express a range of opinions on the effectiveness of different resources for learning calculus, with no clear consensus on which is the best approach. Some advocate for more rigorous texts while others prefer more accessible resources.

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Participants note varying levels of rigor and depth in the recommended resources, indicating that the choice of material may depend on individual learning goals and preferences.

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I really want to learn more advanced physics, but I obviously need to know calculus. Would it suffice to watch all the Khan Academy videos on precalculus and calculus? I'm also going to read Calculus Made Easy by Thompson. Can anyone recommend other resources I could use?
 
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I can't say if watching Khan Academy (KA) would suffice, but perhaps on some level. From what I hear you'll learn a lot of the techniqus needed ( ie you'll learn derivatives, integrals, and common application), but I'm not entirely sure how much depth you really get. However, if you're mostlying looking to first learn techniques to help solve physics problems or at least get an initial understanding, then it should suffice.

If you find that you want more logic and more rigor and motivation that requires greater thought, I tend to recommend Courant's Calculus book. I don't expect you to be able to solve these problems, but I found the book to be well motivated and helps you learn how to think about problems. It isn't a simple read the text, find an example, and then apply to problem set book. You'll be required to recall information you have learned once and apply it without being told to do so.

Also Calculus made easy, by thompson is a decent book, outdated on some issues and might lead to confusion in later visit of calculus, but I don't foresee it being a great problem.
 
Calculus by Michael Spivak is really, really good if you want a thorough understanding of the concepts. The problems are all useful and challenging, and you learn a lot more than calculus in the process.

However, I've heard it's quite hard compared to other calculus books, and you won't like it if you just want to apply calculus (like you might for Physics).
 
acabus said:
Calculus by Michael Spivak is really, really good if you want a thorough understanding of the concepts. The problems are all useful and challenging, and you learn a lot more than calculus in the process.

However, I've heard it's quite hard compared to other calculus books, and you won't like it if you just want to apply calculus (like you might for Physics).

Spivak would definitely be an overkill if he doesn't want the rigor.

Plus he need's the maturity before attempting it.
 
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Thompson is great. Khan Academy is lame; it doesn't teach ideas, just operations.
 
bcrowell said:
Thompson is great. Khan Academy is lame; it doesn't teach ideas, just operations.

Yes, I remember reading it as an intro to calculus awhile back. It definitely helps you with the intuition on some of the ideas.
 
I do want a thorough understanding of calculus, not just the operations. I'm not just learning it for physics, I also love math. I'll check out all the recommended books. Thanks to everyone who posted, you were really helpful.
 
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Richard Feynman read this book to teach himself calculus
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1443728837/?tag=pfamazon01-20

I thought he learned it from Calculus Made Easy. In his book QED (great book, by the way, just in case you haven't read it) it says that he was first inspired to learn calculus from a book that started with "What one fool can do, another can", which is Calculus Made Easy.
 
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He also used the one above. I remember reading about it and something having to do with his teachers.
 
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I also think Spivak is great, but Courant is probably unsurpassed for someone interested in physics who also wants a deep treatment of calculus.
 

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