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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of the universe at the moment of the Big Bang (BB), particularly focusing on whether the universe is finite or infinite and how to visualize its size and structure during that early phase. Participants explore theoretical implications, conceptual challenges, and the relationship between the universe's size and its boundaries.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the universe is infinite and has always been so, even when it was very small immediately after the BB.
  • Others argue that the universe is finite yet without boundary, raising questions about how to visualize such a concept.
  • There is a discussion about the difference between the size of the universe and the distances within it, with some questioning the implications of claiming the universe could fit within a specific volume.
  • Several participants express difficulty in visualizing the nascent universe, with suggestions to think of it as a point-like object or in terms of the observable universe's size.
  • One participant emphasizes that at the moment of creation, there was no matter, only energy, which complicates the idea of size.
  • There are references to the possibility that the BB could have been a bounce rather than a singular beginning, suggesting multiple interpretations of the universe's early state.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the universe is finite or infinite, and multiple competing views remain. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations and uncertainties regarding the nature of the universe at the moment of the Big Bang.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in understanding arise from the complex nature of the concepts discussed, including the definitions of size, boundaries, and the state of the universe at the BB. The discussion acknowledges the potential for different interpretations of the universe's early conditions.

  • #31
Ryan_m_b said:
Guys and Gals please keep to the discussion at hand. Off-topic posts from now on will be deleted.

GZ on the PF mentor status Ryan! Maybe we can have some good moderation on the "FTL warp drive" inventors and the "lets colonise Mars in the next few weeks" promoters!
 
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  • #32
YummyFur said:
A hurricane is a name for a form of matter and energy. I am positing consciousness as the material substance of the world, literally.

Then you should find a good philosophical forum for this idea then, as this is not the place for that topic.
 
  • #33
YummyFur said:
I am positing consciousness as the material substance of the world, literally.

Yep. Not the place for it. Thread marked for closure.
 
  • #34
YummyFur said:
Simply that 'consiousness' whatever it is, was already existent because as you have already agreed it must have been albeit in a form other than how it is understood. It just seems to me to be a simple logical conclusion.

Yummy, I've been very pleased to see how polite everyone has been about this post. Often the response to such things is quite abrupt. Although several folks have told you nicely that this is not the place for such speculation, they perhaps should have added that you really need to read the forum rules about overly speculative posts so that you'll better understand why you have been getting this message. This is a great forum but it is a SCIENCE forum and far-out theories, particularly ones that are not falsifiable, don't fly.
 
  • #35
This stopped being science a long time ago, if it ever was.

Thread closed.
 

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