Can Kindness Be the Key to a Harmonious Scientific Community?

[wolram]

They must have been a hardy people, but not as brusque as depicted in books,
some must have been fine crafts men.

 

[arildno]

They must have been a hardy people, but not as brusque as depicted in books,
some must have been fine crafts men.

Indeed.
Some actually had to build the Viking ships, for example..

 

[Joel]

They must have been a hardy people, but not as brusque as depicted in books,
some must have been fine crafts men.

Oh, yes. They traded a lot and managed to sail up shallow rivers with their flat hulled boats; all the way from russia, to north america and to the Mediterranean sea. On second thought, concidering the amount of contact they had with other culutures, they must have had glass. Glass was common during the roman times and again in the middle ages, only during the time in between I think there have been less of it, if IRCC from a glass exhibition in Florence.

 

[wolram]

Oh, yes. They traded a lot and managed to sail up shallow rivers with their flat hulled boats; all the way from russia, to north america and to the Mediterranean sea. On second thought, concidering the amount of contact they had with other culutures, they must have had glass. Glass was common during the roman times and again in the middle ages, only during the time in between I think may have been less of it, if IRCC from a glass exhibition in Florence.

I was looking at some viking beads to day, a tv show called time team attempted to reproduce one, it was more difficult than they thought.

http://www.regia.org/glass.htm

 

[wolram]

I am unsure of the authentisity of this article, it is some thing to think about
if it is true.
http://www.lochness.co.uk/exhibition/viking.html

 

[Joel]

I was looking at some viking beads to day, a tv show called time team attempted to reproduce one, it was more difficult than they thought.

http://www.regia.org/glass.htm

Fascinating! They seem to have done a lot in glass, altough they imported some of the more difficult work. Next time I think first.

Regarding glass windows, the only mentioning on the page seems to be this:

In the later Anglo-Saxon period, glass was used modestly for some church windows. To date only blue glass seems to have been found, with the odd pieces displaying some decorative brushwork on them. Clear window glass may have been used in the homes of a few wealthy people although this is not certain.

 

[Joel]

I am unsure of the authentisity of this article, it is some thing to think about
if it is true.
http://www.lochness.co.uk/exhibition/viking.html

I'm sorry, but I can't resist:

Eminent researchers like me are only devoted to the science and research of Loch Ness and would never issue statements unless we thought they were true.

Are you allowed to say eminent researcher and Loch Ness in the same sentence?

With that said, who knows... Maybe. But it didn't become clear what time peried they where talking about in the press release.

 

[gurkhawarhorse]

am i the only one who went offline and missed all these nice talks?

 

[wolram]

If i remember correctly Roman glass was recycled by later peoples, it seems an
art that was lost and found to some degree more than once.

 

[gurkhawarhorse]

excuse me, my i have your attention please,

this thread is hijacked.
i repeat, this thread is hijacked.
just like before

 

[Joel]

If i remember correctly Roman glass was recycled by later peoples, it seems an
art that was lost and found to some degree more than once.

Yes, this is what I remember from the glass exhibition, it was lost after Roman times. What I don't remember is when it was re-invented. But concidering the different techniques presented in your first link, it seems there was some kind of new production after roman times, even if most of the items where made by recycling old glass.

 

[wolram]

I'm sorry, but I can't resist:

Are you allowed to say eminent researcher and Loch Ness in the same sentence?

With that said, who knows... Maybe. But it didn't become clear what time peried they where talking about in the press release.

I could not find a follow up article, on the other hand not all loch ness research
is crackpot.

 

[gurkhawarhorse]

whoa, romans knew about glass?

goes to ripleysbeliveitornot.com

 

[wolram]

excuse me, my i have your attention please,

this thread is hijacked.
i repeat, this thread is hijacked.
just like before

You have our attention horsey, hi jacked you say, nay, just blowing out some
cobwebs,

 

[gurkhawarhorse]

whot? sorry mister, but u just got me confused!

 

[Joel]

I could not find a follow up article, on the other hand not all loch ness research
is crackpot.

I don't know, but I don't doubt it. I do know there is plenty of real research about many myths, Atlantis, as another example.

 

[Joel]

whoa, romans knew about glass?

goes to ripleysbeliveitornot.com

Egyptians also knew about glass.

http://www.glassonline.com/infoserv/history.html

 

[gurkhawarhorse]

guess the old gorkhalis were too dumb to even know what sand is

 

[Joel]

Yeah, well... The europeans where too dumb to know about gunpoweder before the 13th century. Nobody gets 'em all.

 

[gurkhawarhorse]

ah... we borrowed gun powder from chinese, and looted guns from british.
well in all the wars nepal has ever fought, it has never used any thing called gun.
well, lost none.

 

[wolram]

http://www.geocities.com/ladysveva/BeadHistory.html

This is a good history of glass bead manufacture, it seems the vikings made
and imported/traded beads.

 

[Joel]

http://www.geocities.com/ladysveva/BeadHistory.html

This is a good history of glass bead manufacture, it seems the vikings made
and imported/traded beads.

Interesting, indeed. But did they use it for windows, the ultimate question remains?

I found http://www.stainedglass.org/main_pages/sgaa/historySG.html history about glass windows, sadly without a mentioning of vikings.

 

[wolram]

Interesting, indeed. But did they use it for windows, the ultimate question remains?

I found http://www.stainedglass.org/main_pages/sgaa/historySG.html history about glass windows, sadly without a mentioning of vikings.

I think the answer must be that it was far to valuable to use for windows,
the roman method of, "blowing", glass into tubes and then cutting and forming
it into flat sheet, seems to have been lost for some time, any other method ie
casting would be slow and expensive, but that is only my take on the matter.

 

[Smurf]

Everyone who's posted in this thread except me (and pengwuino if he has) is a dumbass.

 

[gurkhawarhorse]

I cannot take this anymore
I'm saying everything I've said before
All these words they make no sense
I find bliss in ignorance
Less I hear the less you'll say
But you'll find that out anyway

 

[gurkhawarhorse]

Everyone who's posted in this thread except me (and pengwuino if he has) is a dumbass.

I find the answers aren't so clear
Wish I could find a way to disappear
All these thoughts they make no sense
I find bliss in ignorance
Nothing seems to go away
Over and over again

Chorus

Shut up when I'm talking to you
Shut up, shut up, shut up (2x)

I’m about to break!

Chorus

 

[klusener]

How the hell did this thread go from discussing being nice to glass beads?

 

[gurkhawarhorse]

How the hell did this thread go from discussing being nice to glass beads?

hijacked by the starter of the thread himself

 

[wolram]

How the hell did this thread go from discussing being nice to glass beads?

well you pheasant pluckers wouldn't have a clue, so go dip your wicks in candle
fat, and have a ball.

 

[Astronuc]

I rarely visit towns or cities, to me the picture post card serenity has gone, it
may return with pedestrianisation of city and town centers, but that may be
years away if ever.

England and Scotland have some wonderful small and midsize towns to visit.

And in Germany - see Rothenburg ob der Tauber - walled city overlooking Tauber Valley.

In Spain - Salamanca (find Cervantes) and Toledo are so cool! You have to see them in person - it's better than post cards.

 

[Mk]

England and Scotland have some wonderful small and midsize towns to visit.

Yes, so does Afghanistan, and Borneo.

 

[Astronuc]

Yes, so does Afghanistan, and Borneo.

I very much want to go to Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and Pakistan - all have very interesting histories, and I very much wish to experience the Karakoram and Pamirs. Hopefully that won't be too far in the future.

 

[matthyaouw]

England and Scotland have some wonderful small and midsize towns to visit.

They do! Do you have any favorites?

 

[rocketboy]

9 pages in 13 hrs (up until my post here)...that's pretty impressive. Check out the first page, there are posts minutes apart frequently.

 

[arildno]

Every country has nice towns, particularly all the home towns of PF'ers!

 

[Joel]

I think the answer must be that it was far to valuable to use for windows,
the roman method of, "blowing", glass into tubes and then cutting and forming
it into flat sheet, seems to have been lost for some time, any other method ie
casting would be slow and expensive, but that is only my take on the matter.

That would be my take too. In addition, contrary to southern countries, glass windows in the north would have had to isolate cold, which probably was better done with lether.

 

[wolram]

That would be my take too. In addition, contrary to southern countries, glass windows in the north would have had to isolate cold, which probably was better done with lether.

Joel, i could on another occasion, talk about this in depth, excuse me please,
i am some what distracted.

 

[Mk]

I very much want to go to Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and Pakistan - all have very interesting histories, and I very much wish to experience the Karakoram and Pamirs. Hopefully that won't be too far in the future.

I hope you don't get shot! Are you white? I would never think about visiting no matter what the history. That would be a debt to society!

 

[Mk]

I think the answer must be that it was far to valuable to use for windows,
the roman method of, "blowing", glass into tubes and then cutting and forming
it into flat sheet, seems to have been lost for some time, any other method ie
casting would be slow and expensive, but that is only my take on the matter.

So does arnildo blow well?

 

[wolram]

So does arnildo blow well?

I would not know, i have all ways wanted to try glass blowing though.

 

[Artman]

So does arnildo blow well?

This being the be nice to everyone thread, I would have to say that although I have not witnessed arnildo blowing, I am sure that he can blow with the best of men and that his blowing in no way sucks.

 

[Joel]

Joel, i could on another occasion, talk about this in depth, excuse me please,
i am some what distracted.

While interested, I suspect my knowledge would come short quite shortly, but I'll gladly continue this (or any other) discussion with you later, Wolram. I hope your distraction is pleasant or short.

Btw, In last night's party I got a high heel on my toe and a lecture in how to make a glass that indicates how much liqoir you have left, by changing the colour of a small lamp in its foot. Later someone lured me to dance ripaska in the middle of the dance floor. :shy:

Also, somewhere around midnight we got some unexpected guests, when our Rector marched in, apparently after having been to a doctor promotation earlier. (The inscription was earlier in the day...) He shaked very well to The Summer of 69!

 

[wolram]

by Joel,
While interested, I suspect my knowledge would come short quite shortly, but I'll gladly continue this (or any other) discussion with you later, Wolram. I hope your distraction is pleasant or short.

I am sorry joel, i had a raging tooth ache, Awww, your poor foot those heels
really hurt.
I must admit it is years since i read up on the history of glass, and forgot how
interesting the subject is, i will have to find an up to date book.

 

[wolram]

As far as i can find, the eariest engish glass window dates to 1180, and
the germans were makeing glass by the blowing method in the 11th century.

Furnaces for glass manufacture have been found in Glastonbury, York, Kent
and Lincoln dating to the 7th century

Glass imported to 5th century Ireland from the mediterranean has been found.

So there is a huge span of dates, and i dare say that the first glass window
pre dates 1180

 

[arildno]

This being the be nice to everyone thread, I would have to say that although I have not witnessed arnildo blowing, I am sure that he can blow with the best of men and that his blowing in no way sucks.

 

[Mk]

although I have not witnessed arnildo blowing, I am sure that he can blow with the best of men and that his blowing in no way sucks.

Well put. .

 

[Astronuc]

I hope you don't get shot! Are you white? I would never think about visiting no matter what the history. That would be a debt to society!

I have been mistaken for Arab and Jew, Italian, Spanish, Greek, and other Mediterranean and Middle Eastern nationalities. During the summer, my skin gets rather dark.

Anyway, I do plan to go to Afghanistan and Pakistan - they have some great mountains.

 

[JamesU]

i'm bored

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[Townsend]

I would not know, i have all ways wanted to try glass blowing though.

I'll let Mr. glass know how you feel...

 

[Mk]

Its ok, he sees right through your plan.