Can Liquid Nitrogen Really Overclock a Processor to 6 GHz?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using liquid nitrogen to overclock a processor to 6 GHz, exploring the effects of low temperatures on semiconductor behavior and processor performance. It touches on concepts from quantum physics, semiconductor physics, and computer engineering.

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  • Some participants note that at very low temperatures, electrons in semiconductors may not have enough energy to jump the band gap, potentially affecting functionality.
  • Others clarify that liquid nitrogen is not considered "supercold" and that it may not reach temperatures where semiconductors become insulators.
  • It is proposed that cooling a circuit generally reduces resistance and improves conductivity, which could influence processor speed, though specifics on this relationship are not fully explored.
  • One participant mentions that CMOS processors use doped semiconductors, where intrinsic carriers freeze out at lower temperatures, and that low temperatures can increase carrier mobility, potentially enabling faster speeds.
  • Another point raised is that the primary benefit of using liquid nitrogen may be its ability to effectively remove excess heat from the processor.

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Participants express varying views on the effects of low temperatures on semiconductor performance, with some agreeing on the cooling benefits while others raise concerns about the potential for semiconductors to become non-functional at very low temperatures. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact mechanisms at play.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about temperature effects on semiconductor behavior, the specific conditions under which processors operate, and the definitions of terms like "supercold." Mathematical relationships and detailed mechanisms are not fully elaborated.

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I just finished reading Absolutely Small, a book on quantum physics. In it the author says that when semiconductors get very cold the electrons no longer have enough energy to jump the band gap, and therefor they do not work.

I have also watched a video of a guy who poured liquid nitrogen onto his processor to overclock it to something like 6 GHz. I was wondering how this is possible? Is it that the processor never gets that cold due to the overclocking?
 
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Drakkith said:
I just finished reading Absolutely Small, a book on quantum physics. In it the author says that when semiconductors get very cold the electrons no longer have enough energy to jump the band gap, and therefor they do not work.

I have also watched a video of a guy who poured liquid nitrogen onto his processor to overclock it to something like 6 GHz. I was wondering how this is possible? Is it that the processor never gets that cold due to the overclocking?

First of all, liquid nitrogen is not "supercold". In fact, it is downright hot in many applications (liquid helium will BOIL when it comes in contact with liquid nitrogen). So at this temperature, one hasn't reached the state yet where the semiconductors (if the band gap is small enough) become an insulator.

Secondly, cooling a circuit typically reduces resistance and improve conductivity (at least in the "wiring"). How it improves on the processor speed, someone with more knowledge on computer engineering will have to chime in.

Zz.
 
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First of all, liquid nitrogen is not "supercold". In fact, it is downright hot in many applications (liquid helium will BOIL when it comes in contact with liquid nitrogen). So at this temperature, one hasn't reached the state yet where the semiconductors (if the band gap is small enough) become an insulator.

Secondly, cooling a circuit typically reduces resistance and improve conductivity (at least in the "wiring"). How it improves on the processor speed, someone with more knowledge on computer engineering will have to chime in.

Zz.

That's pretty much what I was thinking, that the liquid nitrogen wasn't quite cold enough or that the processor wasn't getting cold enough. Thanks!
 
A few things:

CMOS processors use doped semiconductors. The intrinsic carriers (those that are thermally excited from the valence band to the conduction band) are only a tiny portion of carriers. The carriers excited from the donor levels are much closer to the conduction band (or acceptors closer to the valence band). These carriers will freeze out at much lower temperature than 77K.

Low temperature will increase the carrier mobility in the semiconductor, which enables faster speeds.

And like ZapperZ says, the lower temperature will reduce the resistance in the metalization layers, which is where a lot of the heat is generated.

But I think that the main benefit of LN2 in this case is simply better cooling to remove excess heat.

EDIT: actually, I'll revise my first paragraph a little : in MOSFETs, the channel is formed by inversion and the Fermi level is near or above the conduction band edge so even at lower temperature, the channel would still have a significant amount of carriers.
 
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