Can macroscopic objects interfere with themselves like quantum particles?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of whether macroscopic objects can exhibit self-interference similar to quantum particles, using a hypothetical experiment involving a missile launched from a satellite orbiting Mars. The scope includes theoretical implications of quantum mechanics, the nature of observation, and the conditions required for interference to occur.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a thought experiment where a missile launched from a satellite could interfere with itself if it is in a superposition of states until observed.
  • Another participant suggests that shielding a macroscopic object from environmental factors could allow for interference, referencing the largest objects for which interference has been demonstrated.
  • A third participant cites a specific study claiming to have observed quantum interference in large organic molecules, providing a reference for further reading.
  • One participant discusses the probability amplitudes associated with detecting the missile in different states, indicating a mathematical approach to the problem.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption that the absence of observers affects the experiment, arguing that the role of an intelligent observer is not a fundamental aspect of quantum mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of observation in quantum mechanics and the feasibility of macroscopic self-interference. There is no consensus on whether macroscopic objects can interfere with themselves or the implications of the proposed experiment.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of shielding from decoherence and the definitions of size when discussing interference. The discussion also reflects on the assumptions made regarding observation and the nature of quantum mechanics.

mrspeedybob
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Consider this experiment...

A satellite is put into orbit around Mars and the date of the experiment is set for when Mars is directly opposite the sun from earth. This puts it about 21 light minutes away from earth. Assuming there are no aliens watching it is absolutely impossible for any observations to be made until the experiment is over. On board this satellite is an electron gun aimed at a pair of slits, as in the classic double slit experiment. If there were a photographic plate behind the slits there would be an interference pattern, but instead there are 2 detectors. If detector A is triggered the satellite launches a missile which goes into orbit traveling from east to west. If detector B is triggered the missile is launched into orbit traveling from west to east. Since no observation of the experiment can possibly be made for 21 minutes the two states should exist in superposition until it is observable. Before that time has expired the 2 possible missile paths cross and the missile "interferes" with itself, just like the electron would have done at the photographic plate.

So when the results of the experiment are observable from Earth does the experimenter see a missile orbiting Mars in one direction or other? Or may he see a debris field where the missile impacted itself after traveling both ways around the planet? Or in this instance would "interference" mean something other than an impact, and what would it be?
 
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If you are able to shield the macroscopic object from the environment (heat bath, thermal photons, ... ) in order to avoid decoherence - yes; afaik the largest objects for which interference has been shown is C60 fullerene, but I may be wrong.
 
I think the "record value" was published in Nature Communications this year.

See S. Gerlich et al., "Quantum interference of large organic molecules", Nature Communications 2, 263;
doi:10.1038/ncomms1263

The article is free to read. They claim to see interference for objects up 60 Angström in size. For comparison: depending on the definition of size, C60 has a diameter of 7 or 10 Angströms.
 
Hi, mrspeedybob.

In your configuration, let |A> be probability amplitude for electron to come into detector A. Similarly |B> be probability amplitude for electron to come into detector B. Probability we detect missile going one way is <A|A>. Probability we detect missile going the other way is <B|B>. <A|A> + <B|B> = 1. The magnitudes of <A|A> and <B|B>
are determined by close investigation of the configuration.

Regards
 
mrspeedybob said:
Assuming there are no aliens watching it is absolutely impossible for any observations to be made until the experiment is over.

An intelligent observer is not a feature of QM. You're not starting from a good spot.
 

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