Can Negative Time Alter Our Understanding of Physics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of negative time and its implications for physics, particularly in relation to time dilation, faster-than-light (FTL) travel, and gravity. Participants explore theoretical frameworks and speculative ideas, including the use of imaginary numbers and tachyons, while questioning the effects of negative time on physical laws and phenomena.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that negative time could be represented by imaginary numbers and might lead to a different behavior of matter, such as atoms flying apart and electrons repelling each other.
  • Another participant clarifies that special relativity prohibits objects initially less than the speed of light from reaching or exceeding that speed, but does not rule out the existence of tachyons, which are hypothetical FTL particles.
  • There is a repeated inquiry into whether negative time could affect gravity, with some participants asserting that physicists would likely conclude it has no effect due to the lack of a causal mechanism in general relativity.
  • One participant questions the meaning of negative time and its implications in the context of time dilation equations, expressing confusion about the introduction of imaginary numbers.
  • Another participant discusses the concept of proper time in general relativity, stating that it can never be negative and that clocks do not go backward.
  • There is speculation about whether imaginary mass, as suggested by tachyon equations, could influence spacetime according to general relativity.
  • A participant introduces a philosophical perspective on time, suggesting a connection between time and entropy, and proposing a duality of past and future time represented by imaginary values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of negative time, the nature of tachyons, and the relationship between time and gravity. There is no consensus on these topics, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of the implications of negative time and the mathematical frameworks involved. The discussion includes speculative ideas that depend on hypothetical scenarios and interpretations of existing theories.

Vinni
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Hello All I'm new to the forum and have a question.

I was looking at the time dilation function and noticed that negative time would be described with imaginary numbers and be a kind of anti-time, albeit that rest mass can not be pushed faster than the speed of light but for the sake of brevity say FTL is possible. That being the case then negative time would result as a change in the direction of momentum and not in the proverbial backward time travel of H.G. Wells' "Time Machine". With negative time atoms would fly apart, electrons would cling to electrons, protons would cling to protons, matter's usual behavior would be vastly different.

Am I wrong with this conclusion? Also would gravity be affected, since there is no such thing as anti-gravity, could anti-time(negative time) create anti-gravity?
 
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Special relativity does not let you push any object initially less than the speed of light to a speed that equals or exceeds the speed of light.

But special relativity (as far as I know) does not prohibit an object originating at FTL. But an object that starts FTL, can never slow down to light speed or less. These hypotherical particles are called Tachyons.
 
Also would gravity be affected, since there is no such thing as anti-gravity, could anti-time(negative time) create anti-gravity?

Considering that there is no causal mechanism that warps space because of the presence of matter physicists would conclude that negative time has no effect on gravity!

Would this be an accurate interpretation of general relativity?
 
When you say negative time are you talking about a time translation in the negative t direction?
 
Vinni said:
Considering that there is no causal mechanism that warps space because of the presence of matter physicists would conclude that negative time has no effect on gravity!

Would this be an accurate interpretation of general relativity?
I don't know about negative time, but and interesting thing happens if you develop an equation for relativistic energy for a Tachyon: the mass must be imaginary since the ratio of two imaginary numbers is a real number. For example, i = sqrt (-1), then i / i = 1.

So the question is does imaginary mass affect space time according to general relativty?
 
Vinni said:
I was looking at the time dilation function and noticed that negative time would be described with imaginary numbers and be a kind of anti-time
What do you mean by this?

In the equation:
\Delta t' = \frac{\Delta t}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}

A negative \Delta t' would imply a negative \Delta t, but I don't see where any imaginary numbers would come in.
 
DaleSpam said:
but I don't see where any imaginary numbers would come in.

:smile:
 
Proper time, is an interval between two events, this in GR, can never be negative, i.e. clocks never go backwards.
 
Passionflower said:
Proper time, is an interval between two events, this in GR, can never be negative, i.e. clocks never go backwards.

You're right! Even if I used imaginary numbers to represent the roots of 1-v^2/c^2 when v is greater than c

\Delta t' > 0

Since i = \sqrt{-1}

So this means v > c or v< c and v != c if hypothecally v is allowed to be FTL and the absolute value of the denominator is used. Then does it make sense that a particle can quantum mechanically tunnel beyond c by transforming into a tachyon, hypothetically?
 
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I read that there is two kinds of time :

past time which has the value of -it

future time which has the value of +it

and by the multiplication of them we obtain the square of our present time which we live in !:smile:

Time is deeply connected to the concept of Entropy which is "time arrow" , and if we want to discuss the direction of the time we will be forced to speak about entropy and thermodynamic processes , I think so.
 

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