Can Neutrons be Deflected in a Non-Uniform E Field Due to Spin?

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The discussion revolves around whether neutrons can be deflected in a non-uniform electric field due to their spin, or if a magnetic field is necessary for such deflection. The scope includes theoretical considerations and potential experimental implications related to particle behavior in electric and magnetic fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that a magnetic field is necessary for deflection, while others suggest that a small effect might occur in an electric field, akin to the behavior of neutral molecules.
  • One participant mentions that similar effects related to spin have been observed in electrons within electric field gradients, suggesting a possible parallel for neutrons.
  • There is a discussion about the need for an inhomogeneous magnetic field gradient to generate a force on magnetic dipoles, referencing the Stern-Gerlach experiment.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the interaction of neutrons with electric fields, questioning whether a neutron moving through an inhomogeneous electric field could experience a weak magnetic field interaction.
  • Questions arise regarding the relationship between a particle's spin and its magnetic moment, and whether deflection in a non-uniform magnetic field is due to spin or the magnetic moment itself.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the necessity of a magnetic field for neutron deflection in an electric field, with multiple competing views presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent and nature of any potential effects.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the behavior of neutral molecules in electric fields and the conditions under which deflection occurs are not fully resolved, indicating a need for further clarification on definitions and assumptions.

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If I shoot a beam of neutrons into a non-uniform E field will they get deflected because of their spin or do we need a B field.
 
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A B field is needed.
There could be a small effect in an E field which could polarize the neutron, like the deflection of a neutral molecule in an E field. I think this is so small it has never been seen experimentally, and would not depend on spin.
 
Similar effects depending on spin are at least observed for electrons moving in electric field gradients (very hype now under the name spintronics), so I would assume that they are also present in neutrons.
 
clem said:
A B field is needed.
There could be a small effect in an E field which could polarize the neutron, like the deflection of a neutral molecule in an E field. I think this is so small it has never been seen experimentally, and would not depend on spin.
What do you mean by polarize a neutron? And could we bring relativity into the mix, where we had a line charge in one frame at rest, no current. But then we had a neutron moving down the wire and a second observer moving in the other way so he sees a current and a B field. Would this observer witness a deflection based upon the spin of the Neutron?
 
cragar said:
If I shoot a beam of neutrons into a non-uniform E field will they get deflected because of their spin or do we need a B field.

You actually need a B-field *gradient* to generate a force on the magnetic dipoles, so your field needs to be inhomogeneous, like in the SG experiment.

[EDIT: I am not sure about the inhomogeneous E-field ... It seems that a neutron moving through an inhomogeneous E-field should experience a weak B-field interaction as well, but I am not completely certain that is correct. Whether or not the B-field (if any) experienced by a neutron in such a case is large enough to observe a measurable deflection is yet another question.]
 
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clem said:
A B field is needed.
There could be a small effect in an E field which could polarize the neutron, like the deflection of a neutral molecule in an E field. I think this is so small it has never been seen experimentally, and would not depend on spin.

Again, neutral molecules are not deflected by E-fields, but by E-field gradients. The angular momentum of a dipolar molecule will be perturbed by a homogeneous E-field, and in the strong field limit the dipole will align along the field direction. However you need a field-gradient to change its momentum.
 
A particle moving in an E-field feels a B-field in its rest frame, so there should be an observable effect.
 
interesting thanks for your answers. Does a particle having spin imply it has a magnetic moment? Or when the particle gets deflected in a non-uniform B-field, is this because it has spin or a magnetic moment?
 
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thanks for the link I will start reading it.
 

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