Question on the SG (Stern-Gerlach) Spin experiment

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Stern-Gerlach (SG) experiment, focusing on the influence of the configuration of the magnetic field on the behavior of particles, particularly silver atoms, as they pass through the field. Participants explore the implications of varying the distance between the north (N) and south (S) components of the magnetic field and how this might affect the observed spin distribution.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the position of the N and S components affects the deflection of particles, suggesting that if S is farther away, there might be more deflection toward N.
  • Another participant asserts that there is only one magnetic field in the SG experiment, indicating confusion about the initial question.
  • A later reply clarifies that moving the magnets changes the field configuration, which generally alters the response of the silver beams.
  • Participants inquire whether the average measure of spin would still show a 50% distribution if the N component is closer to the silver beam than the S component.
  • Some participants emphasize that an inhomogeneous magnetic field is essential for observing particle spin, as a homogeneous field would not result in deflection.
  • There is a discussion about the basic principle that spin-up and spin-down particles behave differently in an inhomogeneous magnetic field, leading to a superposition of spatial components related to spin states.
  • One participant questions the dependency of the particle's behavior on its position relative to the magnets, suggesting a reinterpretation of spin as a variable influenced by position.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of the magnetic field configuration on particle behavior, with some asserting that it does affect deflection while others focus on the fundamental principles of the SG experiment. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific effects of varying distances between the magnetic components.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about the magnetic field's influence on particle spin and the conditions necessary for observing deflection. The participants do not reach a consensus on these points.

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During a SG experiment, the components N and S of the magnetic field are placed at the exact distance from the beam of particle?(or with precise approximation) What would happen if for example S is placed a little more distant from the beam of particle than N? Will we observe more deflection toward N? Or the quantum property of spin is not influenced by the position of the two source?
 
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I have no idea what you are talking about. SG? There are not two magnetic fields 0 there is only one.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
I have no idea what you are talking about. SG? There are not two magnetic fields 0 there is only one.

My bad, I expressed myself miserably. I'm talking about the Stern-Gerlach experiment.
I attach here a picture.
 

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If you move the magnets, you will change the field configuration, and in general change the silver beams' response to it.
 
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ok, so what behaviour we expect? In particular I would like to know if the change of field configuration, intended as distance of N and S components from the silver beams, will affect the average measure of spin we obtain.
I mean, If the N component is closer to the silver beam than S component, we still observe a 50% spin distribution?
 
arkantos said:
ok, so what behaviour we expect? In particular I would like to know if the change of field configuration, intended as distance of N and S components from the silver beams, will affect the average measure of spin we obtain.
I mean, If the N component is closer to the silver beam than S component, we still observe a 50% spin distribution?

Why don't you first explain what happens in the usual SG experiment and why?
 
For what I understood, silver atoms are sent through an inhomogeneuos magnetic field. It must be inhomogeneus, because if it was homogeneous we don't observe deflection at all, right? Which also means that an inhomogeneous field is the fundamental condition for the observation of a particle spin, right?
In the case of SG experiment,let's say that N is more intense than S. A particle with spin down will be deflected toward N, while a particle with spin up will be deflected toward S.
 
arkantos said:
For what I understood, silver atoms are sent through an inhomogeneuos magnetic field. It must be inhomogeneus, because if it was homogeneous we don't observe deflection at all, right? Which also means that an inhomogeneous field is the fundamental condition for the observation of a particle spin, right?
In the case of SG experiment,let's say that N is more intense than S. A particle with spin down will be deflected toward N, while a particle with spin up will be deflected toward S.

Okay, so the basic principle is that spin-up and spin-down behave differently when subjected to an inhomogeneous magnetic field. And the the SG apparatus thereby results in a wavefunction that is a superposition of two spatial components that are coupled to the up-down spin components.

In what way is this dependent on the particle passing exactly half-way between the magnets?
 
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PeroK said:
Okay, so the basic principle is that spin-up and spin-down behave differently when subjected to an inhomogeneous magnetic field. And the the SG apparatus thereby results in a wavefunction that is a superposition of two spatial components that are coupled to the up-down spin components.

In what way is this dependent on the particle passing exactly half-way between the magnets?
Yh... no way it is dependent.
I was trying somehow to reinterpret the notion of spin as a variable dependent from the particle position.
 
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